Richard Tierney

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back everyone to the Tron podcast. This is your host, Rashad Woods. Coming all the way across the world in Thailand, Courtesy of Ireland, Mr. Richard Tierney, Mental health advocate all around. Good guy. Welcome on the show, sir. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Okay, mash. You're gonna call me sir, we're gonna have problems from the word go. Okay? [00:00:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:00:15] Speaker B: You can't help it. But Rashad or sir Rashad, thank you very much for having me on your show. I love that your name, that the total randomness of nothing. I was really intrigued by, by your name to come on board and I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad you're having me on. That's great to hear. Thank you. [00:00:30] Speaker A: Appreciate you. So you've obviously, you know, you're, I read about you and you did very well when it comes to the area of mental health and trauma. And you've created some 12 steps programs to assist people. Just can you give us some background as how you got into that field and what led you to do this for work and living? [00:00:44] Speaker B: First of all, I want to, I want to stress that I'm not a mental health professional and my sister is a mental health professional. And what they have to go through to become a mental health professional is profound. I do, I do believe there's two forms of mental illness. I believe there's mental illness that can only be treated by mental health professionals. Therapies, medication and so on. And then there's mental disorders. And these are caused by a past trauma memory that intrudes upon their lives. And it rules and defines them so much that they, they develop these stresses and anxieties and depressions, these reactions to the event and their disorders. And I believe that disorders can be treated not only by mental health professionals, but also by holistic practitioners, life coaches, you name it, wherever, who has some sort of solution for it, they can use these solutions. You can have someone who's, who's got a mental disorder that goes and sees a therapist, also goes to a life coach and goes to yoga instructor and goes to different holistic practitioners and does fitness. All these things help. And that's why I believe that. So I'm not a mental mental health professional. I like to thank you for correcting me. I like to suggest that I am a trauma trauma memory recovery expert. And that's what I do. I created a program for healing the trauma event. [00:01:52] Speaker A: So when people, because there's so much more emphasis and sensitivity that is taking place on people's mental well being. You know, I mean, I'm old Enough to remember. And I'm not, you know, I'm nowhere near advanced in life. I hope to be, you know, for young people out there, that's a good thing, right? So, but it was the old day was puts, you know, hey, you know, cry it off or you know, deal with it, so to speak. So when did you see the turning point that services were better suited to, for people actually to seek assistance? Because, because it's, it's come a long way. [00:02:19] Speaker B: I think the big mistake we made is we kind of, we blocked God out of the, out of the equation. Back in the old days, 80 years ago, there was, there was no such thing as mental disorders. There was a case of if you had a problem, you prayed about it, you prayed for the other person. The Bible says that you pray for the other person, you wish them well, God takes your rat off you and then he puts them in, in hell for eternity. And you're not fighting the battle so you give it to God and you let it go and you get peace of mind. But it's got a stage where God has got such a bad name that we automatically go for, take the pill, cation, whatever it is, medicate our feelings, suppress our feelings, express our emotions and then we're stuck in this whole man made solution that isn't working. Again, no offense against mental health professionals. I suffered a trauma when I was 12 years of age and it destroyed me. It filled me with such shame and self loathing. I wanted to die, I didn't want to live. I didn't want to die, but I didn't want to live. I felt it brought shame and, and on my family and I didn't want them to know what happened so I kept it quiet. 12 year old child trying to hide this and keep it a secret and not let people see it and it destroyed me. I was a child and it was suddenly my, my, my innocence was taken from me and, and I was just, you know, so then as I grew up I found that I was growing physically but emotionally I was still a 12 year old child. So I got to be 18, I was a 12 year old child, but I got to be 25. A 12 year old child emotionally and mentally. So I get involved in relationships and of course I'm a 12 year old charge in a 25 year old body trying to have a relationship with 25 year old woman. Out of my depth, completely not capable of having a relationship on the same level because emotionally I was, I was this. I, I stopped going emotionally and mentally. I think what happens with a lot of people who suffer with a past trauma? And I worked with two therapists who are the most loving, caring therapists. One was a woman, one was a man. Over different periods, they were phenomenal, phenomenally caring and empathetic. But I came to realize that they couldn't help me. The problem is they can't. We can't go into our past and heal the past because it's in the past. [00:04:13] Speaker A: It's not in the past. [00:04:15] Speaker B: So they could only treat how I, how I presented. So if I presented with depression or stress or with anxiety, they would treat that. But that wasn't the problem. That was my solution. I would act out in stress or in depression or anxiety. And they were my coping skills. They were dysfunctional, they broke down. But mental health professionals would treat how we act and not the actual event. And science tells us that we have to treat the cause and not the effect. If we treat the effect, there can be no healing solution. It's like putting a band aid on an open wound. You might get some temporary relief, but you're not healing the open wound. We have to deal with past trauma, memory. And since it didn't happen to the person I AM Today, I'm 64 years of age. Rashad, I'm sitting here with you on your podcast in America. I'm in Thailand. We're talking about this today. And that a 12 year old child from 52 years ago who suffered a trauma event. The photograph of me today and put alongside a 12 year old child, you'd see all the differences. I'm an old man with a beard. He's a 12 year old child. My hair is all gray. His hair is curly brown hair. He's living with his parents in the family home in Ireland. He's got five siblings. Both my parents are dead. One of my siblings died, leukemia. And the family home is sold that I'm living in Thailand and married children. We're not the same person. So what happened to each child didn't happen to me. And that's kind of, I came to realize very quickly I was carrying the pain of another and I was carrying symptom pains for that child. But it didn't happen to me. It wasn't any of my business. And I had to find some way of giving the details of an event back to my younger self so I could be free to live today. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Do you what, what did, what techniques did you study to start overcoming trauma? Like a lot of people have been, you know, is it yoga, is it Pilates? Is and then we'll talk. You know, I think a little bit in depth. You said you've done 12 steps and how many people do you help? So there's kind of some multiple questions within that same question. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Okay, well, so. So for me, I knew. I knew therapy wasn't working, and I didn't want to medicate myself. I found this feeling where you'd medicate just you suppress your emotions, but then when the tablet would wear off, it would all come kind of flushing back. You take to your next habit. I was just. I found it very soul destroyed. And I wanted to just to get out of that thing and be able to live my life and feel my feelings, to feel my feelings in the present, not the feelings that I thought of your child 50 years ago. So the goal was to find some way of separating from my past. Well, I learned holistic practices like acupressure and tapping. Tapping's got Torfield Therapy eft. It's got about five different modalities to the tapping solution, so to speak. Two chaps coined the tapping solution. Another chap coined top field therapy. Another person coin eft and so on. But they're all the same kind of program, but done in different ways. And in the Bible it talks about Jesus laid his hands on people. I'm not faithful enough to lay my hands upon you rationally, but I can lay my hands upon me. And if I get you to copy what I do, your energy will shift in your body. It's all about our energy in our body. Chris is called the Holy Spirit. If we can get our energy flowing freely, then we feel much better. If it's all blocked up and it's all closed in, we're kind of knocked up and we're know and we're blocked off from the light and get darkness and all that kind of stuff. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Right? Right. [00:07:14] Speaker B: Like mushrooms in the darkness. Only mushrooms can grow in that darkness. They can learn to get the energy flowing. Suddenly we're opening up. We're open up the universe and all that's good and we bring all the good in and we can heal. So I had to find a way. And I found that acupressure and EFT combined was how I created my modality. So I would teach people. I take them through energy healing. Donna Eden's a lovely woman to hear this on YouTube. So all about energy heating. When you. When you watch energy medicine, when you watch her videos and read her books and all that, it's most profound stuff. She teaches them eft and I did eft courses and tapping courses and I bought books of EFT and tapping and video courses and EFT and tapping and on acupressure. And out of all these I created my own modality, which was this sequence I take clients to. It goes for two hours where they actually tap in every part of the body and lose all the energy. And there's your points in your body and you feel this. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:03] Speaker B: So at the end of the two hours, it's like you feel this weight off your shoulders. All the stress we carry in the shoulder, like the weight of the world on our shoulders, that stress leaves you all the anxiety. [00:08:11] Speaker A: How did you come to two hours? How did you find out that that was the proper window? Like, because you know that that's, that's a pretty long time. Not even, I'm not saying that in a negative manner, but like that does that. Just how much time it takes for that to really like have an effect. [00:08:23] Speaker B: Well, I, I had, I had one client who in about 25 minutes he went, I got it, I got it. So it's different for different people, right. I went from about a 45 minute session with clients to expanding it a bit so we could take in some more modalities. I'm, I'm thinking we're trying to get rid of a, of a trauma memory that maybe have ruled something for 10 or 20 years, right? Just them, that, that they can get rid of it in five minutes if they've suffered for 30 years. It doesn't make sense to the brain. If you've been going to therapist and taking medication and going to hospitals, institutions for 30 years and somebody comes down and says, I can get rid of that for you in five minutes. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Not happening. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Get out of my face, you know. [00:09:00] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:09:00] Speaker B: So in the beginning I worked with clients about 40 minutes kind of work. But I had one man who was a Vietnam vet and the space of 20 minutes he's kind of going, oh glory God. Oh, thanks be to God, it's gone. Oh, thanks. You know, he could see everything about his whole Persona changed. It had left his body complete. And he was like this guy was just floating on cloud nine, smiling, laughing cheerfully, joyful, saying, it's gone. You went to bed that night, no medication, step back a lot, next morning, kind of go, I feel 20 years young, 75 year old man. I feel 20 years younger. I feel like, yeah, like it's mind blowing. That's something else. Can take 40 minutes or 45 minutes or an hour, an hour and a half. I've kind of created a program of two hours. We're really in depth. We take it from our body now. The thing is, once you give it back to your younger self, it leaves your psyche. [00:09:43] Speaker A: So once you give it and it. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Leaves your body, it's gone. You can't take it back if you wanted to because the details have left you the memories you'll always carry. So every memory you have in your, in your, in your memory bank, you're meant to have human beings. We carry all our memories, we don't carry the details of it. So if you go back to your childhood and think about maybe you're in an egg and spoon race, you might remember being in an egg and spoon race when you're four years of age and it's sports day. But you don't remember the details of was it rainy or was it first burring in your face? [00:10:09] Speaker A: Right, right, Go the details. [00:10:11] Speaker B: But with trauma we have the details. When we get the details away and they're gone. Someone asked me about what happened to my 12 year old inner child. I say what happened to him was terrible. It didn't happen to me. I don't remember. I don't have the details. All I know is he suffered this trauma event. I feel deeply for him. But he's gone now. He's in God's mansion in the heavens and he's safe there and he's gone. And it's not about me and I don't have anything to do with this. I'm able to leave it go. And that's the idea behind this. I've developed this event, a two hour healing event. And at the end of the tour event you feel the shift. It's very hard to describe what happens, but you actually feel this weight leave your body. Like you've been carrying this whole weight on your shoulders, the weight of the world upon your shoulders. It's like an elephant sitting on your chest. You can't breathe, you're gasping for your anxiety and panic and that leaves you the hole in your, in your soul that's been eating away at you for the last 30 years suddenly is gone. [00:11:00] Speaker A: How often do you recommend that people actually have to utilize that as much as they need to? Just once, okay? [00:11:06] Speaker B: Once you get rid of the core event, all the others fall away like dominoes, you know. So if you've got one core event, like if you're a veteran and you were in Iraq or Korea or Vietnam and you get rid of that, all the things that have happened since then were based on this one core Event when the core event is gone, don't really need to necessarily do the rest. Some people have done two or three of these, but you really have to get the first one done. Then you do the 12 step program. You undo all the learned behavior of this ptsd, okay? And once that's done, you're just a new person. Like a new creation. It says in the Bible says, become a new creation. That's literally, perhaps you become a new creation. [00:11:41] Speaker A: So. So somebody comes up and they say they had a traumatic event, but there could also be, or they're dealing with. Obviously you're not. You said yourself you're not a mental health advocate. You're a trauma. You know, breathing exercise, compartmentalizing the stressful situations in your life. I'm sure you have repeat customers, though, that, you know, hey, you know, maybe I suffer from this particular thing, but you may, you know, it's been a relief for me when I do this particular class. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Well, the 12 step program is like any 12 step program. You can have continuous meetings of 12 step members, and you can work the program together and talk about things. And that happens on a regular basis. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Every week I meet some people and we go through the 12 steps and we talk about how you watch a day. But once you've done the 12 steps, you make a decision that you're never a victim again. No matter what's happening in your life, no matter how bad it gets you, you lose your job, your boss picks on you because you're out for five months, he's giving you grief. You're not a victim. It's life and life's terms or life and God's terms, and you, you just choose never to be a victim. Now you could be going through the hardship of dysfunctional, narcissistic neighbors and boss and your government, you know, and they could be the hardship for you. But you're. The first line defense is I'm not a victim. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. That's powerful stuff. It's powerful stuff. [00:12:54] Speaker B: Nothing can harm you when you decide you're not a victim. God has a plan. God has a path, man. All this crap I'm going through is going to make me stronger. That's the idea behind it. So the first step of the program is I'm not a victim. What happened? Once you can separate from the past and just live in these, these 24 hours, everything changes. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Have you ever written a book or anything? Do you have any, Anything documented? Do you have any? That's right. Because it seems like an author that would be like something written would be helping people out and be helpful. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I have this, this healing event on Amazon Kindle. So the healing event is called how to heal any past trauma memory. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Our healing event and then the trauma recovery. Anonymous 12 steps are also on the Amazon Kindle platform. On other Kindle platforms, on other Kindle and book platforms. You can order it, print order so they're available based on all bookstores. But the healing event is available on Amazon Kindle. [00:13:45] Speaker A: Got it, got it, got it. I have to ask, how did you end up from Ireland to Thailand? [00:13:49] Speaker B: Well, because of my, my own trauma and trying to escape it. I did the geographical change. I went from using alcohol and gambling and self harm and everything, medication and whatever decided I'd run away. So I did. Most of us, many of say not most of it. Many of us who suffer due geographical change, we leave our home and I think we go somewhere completely far as possible from the memory of the event or that location, that environment. So I went from Ireland to Thailand. Couldn't go. [00:14:17] Speaker A: What? Why Thailand in particular? [00:14:19] Speaker B: Well, I went to Australia first. I went to first and I did like Australia but there's family there as well. I didn't want to be around anyone I knew that was my. And then I met someone in Australia. They said you got to go to Thailand. It's really beautiful. It's very, it's great for western people. Very Westernized, very friendly to Russian, they all speak English. The food is superb, very cheap to live. So on the way back from Australia I went to, to, to Thailand just to stop in for a little while. They 12 loads of 12 step groups all over Thailand. All Western, all Americans. Oh most of them are Korean and Vietnam Vets run these 12 step groups. Okay, same thing. [00:14:51] Speaker A: Okay, very good to go back to. [00:14:53] Speaker B: So I met really nice bunch of people and, and I went, I like this. I think I can live here. And I didn't know anyone so I could kind of reinvent myself and start all over. So I came out here some 23, 24 years ago and I just lived out here like in this, in the beginning it was kind of dark. I felt I just kind of go through my money die and then I just. Someone can't find me dead be over. Wouldn't be around family and no one could see the paper and all kind of stuff, that kind of crazy stuff. There's the early early days and eventually after about five years I decided I wanted to live. It was mind blowing. It was really wonderful experience. But I realized life is worth Living, I want to find a way to live. I want to find a way to adapt this, get rid of this completely and find a way to live. And that was basically the start of it. And from then on it was a case of I wanted to find a way and what could I do? And I did all these online courses of ballistic and NLP and found these wonderful ideas. And then I got into, I'm a Roman Catholic by birth and I became solution with my faith, my denomination. I thought so many rules and regulations. I knew, I knew someone who committed suicide, they wouldn't allow him to be buried in the normal grave or the parents could have them in the church. And I was really opposed to this idea that did hold that against person who couldn't take it. And so this kind of stuff. So I really kind of tried to read from my faith. But then I got, got married and I had children and I wanted them to know God. I went down to local, local Catholic church here and the priest gave me a book on Roman Catalyst for Dummies as a great book to read. And I realized this is all the reasons why I didn't want to be vocal Catholic. So then I brought into a Protestant church and that I thought that'd be a good idea. And I met a partisan priest who taught me all about the New Testament. It was really cool. But my children got treated like second class citizens because they were half cast and very racist. Really put me off that. And then I stopped bringing them to church. I just don't do church anymore now I just read the Bible and I, I believe in the miracles, performing miracles. So I've kind of combined Christianity into my book and I suggest to my clients that I don't believe that we can change, that we have faith filled enough to change water into wine. Okay, if I can give myself five minutes of peace of mind in this rack. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Nice. [00:16:58] Speaker B: That for me is a miracle. And if I said to you, how about if you could give yourself 30 minutes freedom from your rat brain, would that be a miracle? Most clients kind of go, yeah, of course it would. Okay, well then that's your first miracle. Then when you get rid of it and you give the pass back to yoga stuff and it's gone from your psyche. Is that a small mirror for a big mirror? They kind of go, that'd be the biggest miracle possible. Okay, well that's your, that's your second and that's what you do adjacent that they're performing miracles on themselves in any religion by changing their attitude. Their out of Perspective by doing this, all this energy work, they're performing miracles of themselves. So they're hitting themselves. [00:17:34] Speaker A: It's, it's, you hear so many things that are worldwide about. Do you have any certifications of any sorts? Did you take any particular courses that said, okay? Because sometimes for people who are looking for help, they look for that behind somebody and, and it, it, I don't want to say gives credibility, but maybe people are more willing to follow somebody. They say, okay, you went to this institution, you were certified by this board. Is that something that you have or have ever pursued? [00:17:59] Speaker B: I got my certifications in EFT and in tapping and acupressure and this kind of stuff. But they're not like, they're only not, they're not like a mental health profession would have it right. Board. And so they're not the, the professional boards. You know, it's like, it's like, it's like the 12 steps of AA. Two guys put 12 steps of AA together, they weren't qualified therapists. And it saves millions of lives. The 12 step program. It's just me putting something together that works to help people recover, get rid of their past. It's not any, any mental health board. [00:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, correct. [00:18:30] Speaker B: So again, so I, I can't use that as a, as a, as a weapon to say, yes, I am certified. [00:18:37] Speaker A: No, that, but yeah, like, you know, sometimes there's institutions that'll say, oh, you. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Had, yeah, I understand that completely. And I understand someone who's been through the, I, I, I, I want to be careful. My words here. I worked with a client one time who had been with more than 24 therapists. Now, my understanding is if the first one or two don't work, the first three or four don't work, at some stage someone says this isn't working. But to keep someone in the, in this loop of going to another therapist and they're all qualified and trained in the same field and nobody can help this person. At some stage we have to say, this isn't working. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Again, no doubt. Now they're all qualified mental health professionals. My sister's a mental health professional and she's the most kind, caring, empathetic person. But if it's not working, it's not working. [00:19:21] Speaker A: It's just not working. Right. [00:19:23] Speaker B: At the end of the day, different solutions. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Correct. [00:19:25] Speaker B: In the last 80 years, the mental health professional had been looking after disorders. And the last 80 years, we have something like 1.5 billion people diagnosed with PTSD. There's 1.5 billion people diagnosed with other disorders caused by past trauma memories. How can we, how can the numbers grow so gigantically in 80 years? I mean, another 80 years, we're going to have half the world's population. Another 80 years is going to be two quarters. But there doesn't seem to be anyone policing this. Or how can you go from 0 to 1.5 billion in 80 years? That's just. [00:19:56] Speaker A: There's some valid questions. [00:19:57] Speaker B: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me how this can be seen as being the way forward from when to treat the effect and not the cause. Science tells us in common sense, if we're treating the effect, not treat the cause, there'll never be a healing. But we're treating post traumatic stress, we're treating depression, we're treating anxiety, we're treating all this mental psychosis which is caused by the trauma memory. We get rid of the trauma memory, there's no longer any valid reason to maintain the post traumatic stress, the anxiety, depression. That whole area is no longer, it doesn't have the whole, it doesn't have any feet anymore. If you get a trauma memory and you give it back. So if, if young Rashad, who's 11 years old, suffered a trauma event and you've been carrying that for the last 30 years and you give back to him and he took it away and he stepped into the light and you felt a release in your body, all the, all these diagnosis you were given by a medical professional, no longer, there's no longer any reason for them because the cause of it's gone. If you, if you break your leg and your legs and crutches and suddenly your leg gets better, you no longer need to work. [00:20:55] Speaker A: That is correct. [00:20:55] Speaker B: And that's the idea. [00:20:56] Speaker A: Correct. [00:20:57] Speaker B: If you don't put the leg on a cast and you don't, you don't. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Treat, take the proper steps to take care of it, you're gonna be unconscious forever unless you. No question. And you're probably. And the leg's not just going to not heal. It's going to be much significantly worse than worse. [00:21:10] Speaker B: So our minds and our hearts are getting significantly worse because we're not treating the cause. This thing is eating away at us in the inside. If I present with my trauma, people can't see how it's eating away. They can see how it manifests with my anxiety and my stress and my depression, but they can't see. [00:21:26] Speaker A: Does your business, does yours travel by word of mouth? Or is it like, how do people find and locate your services when they need you. [00:21:32] Speaker B: I think it's very. This, this platform of podcasting has been a wonderful revelation. I never knew about this podcasting so recently, and I was just trying to find ways of how I could get myself out there. And I came across this podcast platform and I've been interviewed by about 10 podcasts already, but another 10 podcasts lined up. And it's wonderful because I'm getting to me now. Again, some podcasts only have maybe 30 or 40 viewers, some have maybe a thousand. But it's a start. It's a slow process because we're booking the system. [00:21:59] Speaker A: The system. [00:21:59] Speaker B: You have post traumatic stress, you have depression, you have anxiety, for sure. The whole world has invested in that model for so long. To suggest anything else is like, you're crazy or you're loop the loop or you're, you know, so it's a very. I know it's a very slow growth, but actually, if I can work with. I worked with 104 people already. Fine. If wow. Worked another 104 incident. But that's in six years. It's not a lot of people in six years, you know, right. It's. It's 104 people more than it was. [00:22:29] Speaker A: But there has to be a lot of personal satisfaction, too, from just knowing that you've helped these people too. [00:22:34] Speaker B: But there's personal fashion in talking to you, Rashad, and telling you this solution. I mean, the. I get now explain this to you, and you hearing it is profound. And then you share with your audience, and that's profound, you know, but again, that. That chap, that person I spoke about, who had the 25 therapists, we worked together, at the end of the session, they were in shock because they had invested so much in being post traumatic disorder. They were part of friendships and fraternities, and they had all this medication and. [00:23:02] Speaker A: All this sorts right in the government. [00:23:04] Speaker B: And they couldn't see themselves giving all that up to living life. They hadn't worked in 20 years. They depended on the state and all the social welfare, and suddenly here they are, free of the PTSD to be a normal person. And it's. It's too much of a stretch. It's almost like you said, no, I can't. I can't go through this and walk away. And you can't blame them, really. You can't blame them because you're talking about broken the system. If you've been out of work for 10 or 15 years, depending on the state, and suddenly you get this, this cure, forgive me for using that word, I don't like using the word cure, but this release from your past. [00:23:38] Speaker A: Right. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Step back into life without all that, all those parachutes you had, all those support you had, suddenly had to let that one side and start again from scratch in this world where it's so hard to get a job and get accommodation and pay. It's very demoralizing, frightening to take that step. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Unquestionably, unquestionably so. And I think life is obviously. I'm sorry. [00:23:58] Speaker B: No, go ahead. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Saying obviously people, you know, and it's been proven that it has very detrimental effects on people's health. Right. You know, whether it's your diet, whether it's weight gain, weight loss, susceptible to diseases and things like that and illness and, and an injury as well, too, all by holding that, that in and not having a positive outlet for those type of things. [00:24:18] Speaker B: So Evans, Evans is doing their best. Up until now, there hasn't been a solution. So they're dependent on, on the medical world to give them a solution. And they're told, you've got post traumatic stress, or you have depression or you have anxiety, or you have some other psychosis. The root is medication and therapy and long term therapy. And this is all that they know. They've known this for the last 80 years. This is all they've been, all they've been taught know. And the, the support groups do this and the veterans do this and they all do this and everything's geared towards this one solution. Very hard for someone to step away from that. You know, when you're in. Yeah. When you're told, you know, black is white and you. No, black and white is for 20 years, it's very hard, simply kind of go, no black. [00:24:55] Speaker A: It's very hard to see. Of course, of course. [00:24:57] Speaker B: So you have to, so you've got to be very careful how we approach this. We have to be, we have to understand people are where they are because that's where they are. It's just, that's what it is. If I work somebody who finds it hard to embrace this concept, that's where they are. I mean, it took me 59 years of my life to finally look for another solution. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Well, I'm glad you found it. [00:25:18] Speaker B: So, Russ, it takes you 30 years to find a solution. Or that young man I worked with had 25 therapists. If it takes him 10 years more, that's his journey. [00:25:25] Speaker A: But the point is, did you seek it? Right. Did you never stop yearning for that information? Right. [00:25:31] Speaker B: And yes, I think deep down, I think I, deep down I Yearned for it. And then it got stage where I saw, I really saw, you know, it's. [00:25:38] Speaker A: The non stop satisfaction you have to have from you that this is not the answer that was in front of me that I was seeking and I have to keep learning and learning for that. And that's beautiful work. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Every time I speak to anybody, with yourself or some other podcast presenter or a client and we get to do this stuff, it's like, it's like, it's like, why was I chosen for this wonderful gift? To help another human being. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Feel that when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when your podcast, can you do infant? And you give it to your audience, the audience, 150 people, you kind of go, why am I blessed to be able to give this to 150 people? [00:26:10] Speaker A: I mean, right, right, right. [00:26:12] Speaker B: You can help somebody in some way and it's not, you're not getting something out of them, you're not taking advantage of them. The feeling is sheer joy, for sure. For sure. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Well, that's, you know, it's, it's. The world would be a much better place, you know, if they had an outlet for things that were impacting them and they could put it into and they had a chance to be able to speak on it and have an outlet for it. A lot of bad things can be prevented for people and things that happen in life by having conversations just like that you have with your clients and the processes that you put in place. And so I'm very grateful for the work that you do. And that's awesome. And you, you have a little bit of a nomad footprint in a way where you go, you know, you're like, you know, I was here, I went here to seek it here and I ended up over here. And now I'm helping people at, you know, my proverbial third stop. And again, whatever else was on the way as well too. [00:26:56] Speaker B: I think that the experience of 12 Step is all about you carry the message. If you, if you ever get involved in a 12 step program, the bottom line is you, you can't keep what you have without giving it away. [00:27:06] Speaker A: Right? [00:27:06] Speaker B: So that helps you to get into the whole idea of helping another person for sure. [00:27:10] Speaker A: So I would like to personally thank you because how can, how can people find you? I mean, I know you're halfway across the world from me, but where could be. If people wanted to find Richard Tierney, where would they find you? [00:27:20] Speaker B: Basically, my email is Richard trauma recovery anonymous.com or appointments, appointments, plural@ trauma recovery anonymous.com. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Got it. [00:27:31] Speaker B: Send me an email. I'm also on LinkedIn, but my son is my, is my IT guru and he's, and he's just, he's just completed his, his application to get to university, so now he's got some free time. He's going to design my website design on social media and I'm two thumbs. I'm. I'm not an old man, but when it comes to computers, yeah, I'm an old man. [00:27:51] Speaker A: But he, you're not a ludded though, right? You got the hot podcast head and everything, right. [00:27:54] Speaker B: But he, but he's, he's great. This is his, his, you know, is the light, his headphones, his choice. So again, I don't know what I'm doing. All I know is I have an email address, right? You know, is this process. I know how to take someone to this event. I don't fix and save anybody. I'm teaching you to heal you, right. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Which is important, right? Because then there's other, you know, there's. You have. And even just as you said for therapy, there may be certain things that, you know, this may not. I can only do this for you if you're not willing to either A, put in the work that I'm giving you or B, you may need additional help from outside of me. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Well, no, the thing is you have to heal you. I can't heal you. And you'll know if you've been in therapy with a therapist for a disorder. Again, 25 therapists, 15, 10 years correcting therapists, you know, at this stage, it doesn't work. The best efforts and nothing against mental health professionals, I mean they're the most to. To decide your career in life is going to be. Be a police officer and keep the law. Be a doctor, a nurse, be a medical professional and help people. People. There's no finer thing you can do to want to serve your life helping people. [00:28:56] Speaker A: So I'm not helping people, right, in. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Any way, shape or form. I just think the module that they have doesn't work, not against people. The people are a godsend, right? People with mental illness that the only people who can help them, that they're fantastic. But I think on this mental disorder business, I think they've got the wrong modules they're using. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Well, I appreciate the work that you've done and the time that you've taken on the, the podcast of the randomness of nothing. This is why we do this show, to talk to people, people who have been on the offbeaten path in life. And have interesting stories to tell and to be able to inspire others. And that's why I'm honored that you were willing to carve out some time to be able to be on the show. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Before I go, can I give one thing to your audiences? [00:29:33] Speaker A: Of course, of course. [00:29:36] Speaker B: I learned this quite quickly and it's been, it's been a godsend for me. I'm talking about God an awful lot because I believe we have to claim miracles. I believe that the only way we get miracles is through some spiritual tradition that you find works for you. We don't have to join any church, any man made religion, or any denomination. Just simply have a conversation and say, God, I'm having a crap day. Take this crap day off me and give me 10 minutes peace of mind or give me a miracle. Get rid of this thinking, thinking, the faulty feeling, whatever it is, and you ask them to give that to you. So here, here it goes. We have 24 hours in our day, right? Hours of play, eight hours of work, and eight hours of sleep. The eight hours of play and the eight hours of work is our time that we're alive and our conscious mind is and we're in charge. The eight hours of sleep is meant to be God's time. So the other, when you go to bed at night time, get a pen and paper, you write down how your day was. You kind of go, okay, God, today was a really kind of crappy day and had some good things. But this is my whole day. Plus I've been carrying my past. So the way I phrase it, I say, lord God, I have been carrying this cross since the day I was born. And like your son, Jesus, I faltered more than once. There's some good stuff on this cross, but there's a lot of doom and doom and trauma and hatred and anger and revenge and justice and vengeance, haste and unhappiness. Please take this cross from me and give me peace of mind for the next eight hours. And then I imagine I give this cross to God. I get into bed, I close my eyes, smile on my face, I lay down, I sleep for about eight hours. I wake up next morning, I kind of go, okay, I'll take my cross back now. So start a bed. I say, good God, I'm ready to take my cross back. And then I have this conversation right here. God saying to me, okay, Richard, I've taken your old cross from you and I'm keeping it. This new cross is a 16 hour cross only for the 16 hours in front of you. I want you to Focus on today only. Forget the past, don't think about it self restraint of pen and tone. Don't try and fix anybody, don't try and save anybody. Don't get into conflicting anybody else. Just do eight hours of work and eight hours of play. It's the best of your ability. And at the end of your day, give me this crossback. I'll give you eight hours sleep and the next day we'll start again. And that's my conversation I have. And then when I go into my day only dealing with 16 hours and then so I said at 6a in the morning, 6am in the morning, after 10pm and when I get to work, it's 9am, three hours gone. I suddenly realize I've only got 13 hours left of my whole life. It's not easy like before it was 64 years plus the next 20 years on top of these 16 hours now I've got just 13 hours left. Then at lunchtime it's like, God, I've only got 10 hours left. This is easy, you know. And then afternoon break at 3:00, I've only got seven hours left. Holy baloney. This is just too easy. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah, not a lot of you keeping your 16 hours. [00:32:06] Speaker B: Just keep your 16 hour day again. I don't try and fix to save anybody else. I don't intrude in anyone's space. I don't try and do their job unless they ask me for help. I don't volunteer unless someone asks me for help. I don't, I don't get involved in politics. I don't watch politics anymore. I don't watch anything that would drive my, my mind crazy. I used to love these John Wicks movies. The hero killing all the baddies. And I'd watch this and suddenly it'd be all this anger and violence in me. [00:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:29] Speaker B: So I just don't watch stuff that would trigger me or bring up. [00:32:32] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:32:33] Speaker B: I don't get involved what's happening in American politics or in Ukraine or in England or back in Ireland or anywhere. None of my business. There's 88 billion people in the world that let them look after running the world. I'm going to look after my 16 hours. And my 16 hours now is speaking with Rashad on his podcast. [00:32:48] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly, exactly. [00:32:51] Speaker B: Then after this I'll go in to my wife and I, I'll chat with my wife and I have an early night, she's got a podcast in the morning at 8am and I just do one 16 hours at a time. I check. I talk to God at 10pm I was now at 11. It's past 10pm so I have a chat with God for five minutes, give my cross to say how great my God my day went because I finished it with Rush out for the last half an hour and then I'll go to bed and that's out tomorrow. [00:33:12] Speaker A: Well, that's a beautiful practice that you do. And the work that you do is that very fascinating, very helpful, and the 104 people are probably very grateful that they got a chance to be able to speak and work with you. So I want to thank you for being on the TR podcast. And I never really put a date, like, in my mind of how to break it down the way that you did. So I'm going to have to start stealing a little bit of your methods. [00:33:31] Speaker B: That's pretty cool. Thank you. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:33:33] Speaker B: That's the only way to finish. Thank you, Russia. [00:33:35] Speaker A: No, of course, of course. That's what we're here on, the Tron podcast. Thank you, Richard Tierney, for your time. Appreciate you, brother.