Robert Heavilin

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back everyone, to the Tron podcast. This is Rashad woods, your host and today I have a very special guest, a former Marine. Thank you very much for your service. By the way, Mr. Heveland, who's now doing great work with veterans when it comes to transitioning from military service to regular civilian life. I want to thank you very much and I'm glad you're here for such an important topic in the work that you do. [00:00:20] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. Yeah, we, our goal here is to try to impact the veterans suicide crisis. 22 a day is such a, it's realistically a low number. More accurate reporting is closer to like 33 to 46. [00:00:34] Speaker A: That's mind boggling. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Yeah. When you, when you figure, I, I don't remember the exact stats, but overall. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:00:42] Speaker B: We have lost more to suicide than we did in over 20 years of warfare between Iraq and Afghanistan. So, yeah, we're trying to impact that. [00:00:51] Speaker A: So run it through somebody who hasn't served. Like when somebody, obviously, to my best knowledge, you guys go through basic training camp and then you get deployed overseas and then what happens when a veteran lands? Like what's the specific steps of what he or she encounters when they return? [00:01:07] Speaker B: So usually so one real quick, like I didn't do a combat deployment when I was in, I did my combat tour tour as a government contractor working alongside the military. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Because I missed, I missed the guys, I missed the environment. Something was missing. But like, even, even that, what happens is, is you come home and you go through like a week long class on reintegration into society, which doesn't cover anything. It tells you, don't, don't beat your wife, don't beat your dog, don't beat your kids and just try to exist. And that's about what it covers really. And it doesn't do a really good job of being like, hey, these are some of the issues that you're going to run into on like, hey, you might have a heightened pulse, you might have a fight or flight response. These, these are things that you can do to ground yourself. They don't talk about any of that. And, and then when you go to separate, they're so focused on getting you to write a resume and that's their only focus is you knowing how to write a resume and get back into the workforce. Yep. Not how to reintegrate into society, how you're going to feel a loss, you're going to grieve the brotherhood or sisterhood. Right. You're going to miss your friends, you're going to feel disconnected from people that week ago you were right alongside. [00:02:19] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right. [00:02:21] Speaker B: So they don't talk about any of that. And you're just kind of pushed out into this, into this world and like your friends are still there and they'll talk to you, but they're still focused on the mission at hand. They're not so much focused about you anymore and your connection to it because you're not a part of it. And that makes sense, but they don't tell you how to deal with that. [00:02:38] Speaker A: So I guess from the outside looking in, I mean, we see commercial and study and great work done by a number of people, some celebrities, some not. And it seems like you hear congressional hearings about this. Why has this particular one process that seems to be one of the factors involved, how come that hasn't been kind of like, hey, we're going to make this 30 days or we're going to talk about sleep studies. We're going to talk about, you know, not just trigger points, but I've heard people even have trouble with like Fourth of July fireworks, right? [00:03:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:03:06] Speaker A: 100, you know, so there's been times. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Where that's gotten to me. The reason why I feel like we're not not addressing it is because at the end of the day, right. People are taking a look at veterans and it's third veterans and military and then their own category. They're separate from society. They're almost as if they're not people. Right. I say I have ptsd. Right. And I've been diagnosed with it. The first reaction that usually people give me is they standoffish. They think I'm going to be violent. I'm no longer a person to them. I'm just the violent, disgruntled veteran who doesn't, who doesn't care. [00:03:46] Speaker A: And then it gets parodied in film and then TV shows. Right. Like, it's over. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Glorified, Right? Yeah. It's like, no, like that. That's not it. We're just struggling just like everybody else's. My. So my PTSD comes from military sexual trauma. My, my PTSD is different than a combat veterans. [00:04:04] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:04:05] Speaker B: However, my symptoms are the same, which are the same as a person who went through domestic abuse as a civilian. My symptoms are the same. It's just the trauma is different and we've separated ourselves instead of coming together to work together. That's where I think that issue lies. [00:04:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And then ultimately, and you know, I don't want to over, you know, just from, you know, it'd Be bad for me from a bird's eye view. But then you hear about the homelessness. You know, the. The frequency going through job after job. Maybe they come home and correct me if I'm wrong, Please. I don't get this inaccurate. Divorces can happen. Maybe their relationship fails. They have a disconnected relationship with their kids because of time and because of emotional disconnect, too. Right. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Yeah. 100. I'm divorced. I'm divorced. [00:04:48] Speaker A: You know, I didn't want to say, you know, I'm sorry that happened for you. [00:04:50] Speaker B: No, you're good. It was one of those things that. That was. Sadly, part of it is because I got married because it was an incentive to get out of the barracks. I could feel more in control of my life. So I rushed a relationship to a point where I didn't need to. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:04] Speaker B: But, yeah, no. 100. You come home, you're disconnected, you're lost. I. I spent six months trying to figure out what I was going to do, applying for different jobs and not getting it because they want to. What happens is civilian employers want to see stability when you get out. Well, I can't be stable if I don't give the opportunity to be stable. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:23] Speaker B: And so you're just sitting there and you're stuck in this turmoil of, like, not only did I lose everything that I grew up with as an adult from 18 to 24, that was my life. Now that's gone. Now I'm being told that the way that I was taught how to process things, how I deal with things, that's no longer acceptable. [00:05:39] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:39] Speaker B: So now I've got to relearn my thinking and try to make it fit into a workforce. And that just doesn't. It's hard when you're not given the appropriate tools. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Are they telling you guys that this is going to happen to you, you know, up front? Like, hey, you're going to struggle to reintegrate into society, should you not, when you eventually do come back from, you know, to civilian life, so to speak. [00:06:00] Speaker B: It's kind of like an unspoken known. But, like, okay, I remember joking about it when I got out that, like, I was never. I will never be able to fit in, because this is how it is. This is how my brain's now been wired. And, like, that's just not it. Like, there you can. And you can find a purpose again. It's just hard. [00:06:18] Speaker A: So. So what? You know, and I just want to segue into your purpose, and I apologize for cutting you off, and I'm glad you did find a Purpose. So this isn't all, you know, this isn't me talking, so please, by all means, continue. [00:06:28] Speaker B: So, yeah, we'll just dive into what I do. So I started streaming right on Twitch as a platform, trying to just find something to do to keep me busy because I was really struggling coming back from Afghan as a contractor, dealing with my mental health and trying to fit in. Started streaming. That didn't really go the way I expected. Like, it was just without a cost. I got brought on because of a poem I had written on a podcast to talk about my struggles. I shared being sexually assaulted, going through mct, my time in the Marine Corps, then going to Afghanistan as a contractor. Their big focus was trying to impact the suicide crisis as well. And I was like, okay, well, why don't I try helping this fight? Because we had somebody who, hearing my story came out and was like, hey, like, I was also sexually assaulted. And I was like, that's from my story. Like that. That was just from me talking about what I had been through, where I had finally gotten to a place where I could process it. I wonder how many other people could relate to that if I just started talking. So I started doing that on my streams where we would just talk and then I would charity fundraise for other organizations, helping them out. And then one of my buddies called me up and he's like, hey, like, I hear your message. I love what you do. Let's get you started as a nonprofit. And then the Heavy Hitters project was kind of born and framed out, and we just got approved everything within the past month. And we're wonderful. Since we've launched as a small community, I've got like 110 members. 11 lives have been saved. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Wow. Beautiful. [00:07:51] Speaker B: Statistically right now, 11 successes, zero failures. It's amazing when you think about, from the probability, right? [00:07:59] Speaker A: I mean, you know, they always say, like, one life saved. I mean, just knowing, and I say this very respectfully, just knowing that there is a definitive organization that is invested interest to keep this from happening to you. Has to. I can't put in a pack full that is to. For somebody to hear a voice finally say, oh my God, there's finally somewhere for me to actually be supported, right? [00:08:19] Speaker B: And like the whole premise is just being a friend again. Like, I'm just. We're just out here, a bunch of dudes and girls talking, trying to reconnect to one another. Some of us are veterans, some are civilians, but we're trying to blur that to be like, hey, no, we're not all crazy. We're just struggling in our own way. [00:08:35] Speaker A: Right, Right. And it's. It, you know, it's. It's. I said this to the gentleman who I did a podcast earlier, earlier today, and I was in College when 911 happened, okay. And so, you know, here I was and I had a couple friends that were in the army, you know, and then, you know, two years later, you know, you know, Iraq, the war in Iraq happened. I remember I was texting a friend of mine, one of those who had joined the army, and I'm like, hey, man, how are you doing? Like, not. My brain's not even thinking about what he's doing. He's like, yeah, I'm in Baghdad. And like at that moment, like, I'm like in my dorm, right? And I'm like, oh, my God, this dude's in bag. Like, we were in like math class like three, two and a half years ago. And like, where you went and where I'm at right now is not even close to the same thing. Right? It's. It's. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:23] Speaker A: It blows your mind that a 19 year old guy, you know, or woman is. Is literally in a combat zone. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Yep, it blew my mind. Like when I, when I got to Afghanistan, stepped off the plane, hopped on a hilo, flew to rshq, Kabul. Walk out, because I didn't. It was funny. We lived in a compound off base, which is interesting. And so I'm out there in this compound and I'm sitting on this balcony smoking my cigarette, like, looking out, and I'm like, I'm in Afghanistan. But it looks like it was really weird. It wasn't just desert, dude. It was a city. Being the cap, it was a city. And like, people are going about their lives and I'm like, there's a war going on here. [00:09:58] Speaker A: On leave, it was nutty, right? And you got guys that literally. And women that, you know, they were at prom a year ago. Yeah, right. [00:10:07] Speaker B: One of my good buddies, fresh out of high school, got through schooling, got to his unit, and like three months later deployed out to Afghanistan. And I'm like, yo, like, that's got to be wild for you. Like, you still got. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right. Like, you may, you know, you may have just got your first tattoo, right? You may have just been able to get a tattoo, right, like, legitimately. And so, you know, it's. It. You. You sometimes have to. Like, when my brain, when I heard where he was at, like I said it, it brought me to a place mentally that I was like, dude, this was the Same guy I saw, you know, as kids, like, you know, for all intents, you know. So how did you, is it just you that started the, the Heavy Hitters project or was it a collection of veterans? [00:10:45] Speaker B: So actually it's kind of funny my premise and then two of my friends, that one I know in real life and another one I met through gaming, they kind of stood behind me through like my, my personal struggles. Neither one of them are veterans. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:58] Speaker B: They're civilians. They bring a different mix and exactly the blend of what I need to it like I have my way of thinking and I understand my way of thinking does not work for everybody. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:09] Speaker B: So having two different opinions that are vastly different is super helpful because it's like for sure I see this as like, yeah, this will work and this is going to impact Marines. Yeah, I think like a Marine but like there's the civilian, there's the army and the Air Force and they think drastically different from one another while kind of the same. [00:11:27] Speaker A: Right. So did, so have you now that you just got started and obviously has it just been local that you've been operating or is there a national or multi state level that this is going. [00:11:38] Speaker B: So right now our, our biggest presence is online. We, it's through a discord community. We. Yeah. So like we've got guys all over the world. I have Australian Defense Force dudes who are like hey, like you're talking with us Canadian first responders. [00:11:55] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:55] Speaker B: We have a couple Brits. Like we have everybody coming in and talking their stories and just rebuilding that camaraderie and that togetherness that's been lost. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Well, you know, there's so much society that's inter, like people are intertwined. These are people that are delivering your mail that could be a veteran. Right. They're the person at the, at the cash register counter. Right. And your service and what you provided is something where somebody can consistently talk to because unfortunately trauma gets commercialized. And what I mean by that is like ER really happens to somebody. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Like somebody really lives in er. Right. It's not just a show and they have to somehow come home, you know, to their kids and they just saw X what they saw or deal with on a day by day basis and you're asking that person to just, hey, once that door hits, put it all away. [00:12:43] Speaker B: Right, Exactly. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:46] Speaker B: No, it's. That was kind of the thought process behind it. It's like no matter what with people all over the world, somebody's going to be there. Somebody, whether it's a guy in Australia or A guy in Britain, one of us, are going to pick up the call when you need help, whenever that happens. And that's what we do. And it's been super cool to see it, restored a lot of faith in humanity because there's so many people who want to do good, who want to help. They just don't know how. [00:13:13] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:13] Speaker B: What has always blown people away, at least consistently, has been like, well, have you tried being a friend? [00:13:20] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right, right. [00:13:22] Speaker B: Like, that's all it takes. Like, you never know how, how much just, hey, man, how you doing today? Talk to me about what's going on. You sound different. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Okay, well, the gentleman, the gentleman I talked to just earlier, Dave Nordell, he said that. And I correct me, and I don't. Again, I don't want to stereotype this. When people say that they're a veteran, people almost go like this, like they don't know what to say next in the conversation. Right, right. It's okay. I, I, you know, and I've talked to people who have been in service. I'm, I'm cool with people, but, like, it's got to be kind of like, hey, man, you know, in the four years that I went to this college and I majored in this, and then your experience is so vastly different. Sometimes people don't think that they can relate on a personal, regular, everyday level. Like, yes, I barbecue. Yes, I go to my kids soccer games. Yes, I watch movies and eat pizza just like you do. [00:14:10] Speaker B: And that's the, that's the crazy part is we, we've taken away the human aspect to the veteran. Well, then do people who have experienced trauma, they're no longer human. They're. What I've noticed is a lot of people assume that because I have issues that consumes my life. [00:14:24] Speaker A: Right. [00:14:25] Speaker B: I've got two step kids, we go to the park, we go play. I love hunting, I love fishing. Like, I have a blast. I like gaming. But that gets overwashed with, oh, you're, you're a veteran. Oh, you were in Afghanistan. And it's like, yeah, but that's, that's not who I am. That's just a facet of my life. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Right. I want to ask this in the most, you know, compassionate area possible. When we talk about assault among men, it immediately that how prevalent and comfortable are people revealing that where's the outlet for men? Because anything that happens to anybody is absolutely awful. And I, you know, it seems like there's less resources available for men or they're supposed to, you know, for lack Of a better term. Deal with it. [00:15:06] Speaker B: So like I'm, I'm gonna be real, like from a resource standpoint. Like, obviously you can come in and talk with us, but I don't know of many and that, that was my struggle. Like going through the Marine Corps being sexually assaulted was because going through the Marine Corps, it's men don't get raped. That doesn't happen. If you were raped, well, that makes you gay. I'm sorry, but that to me, that's. I'm a straight male. I don't want to be classified as gay. And the Marine Corps has a stigma about gay men. And I not trying to get put into that. So like, okay, well, I'll just shut up then. Like, I won't talk about it. I carried that silently up until 2021. It happened in 2013. I didn't talk about it. When I did, like I said, like finding like minded people or people who have been through it is key. I know there's support groups out there, but I've also found it hard to. You have to really build the relationship with somebody. [00:15:53] Speaker A: Did you find out when you talked about it how, like, this is much bigger than. I mean, you're taking a small sample size from the people you've talked to, but I'm sure you're integrated in areas, you know, that I'm, that I'm clearly not where the story's bigger than, yo, this is not like just an isolated incident. There's lots more people that have had bad experiences that just don't talk about it. But now that you did, it's like eye openening. [00:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah. No dudes that I never would have guessed to hit it just as well as I did have come out and been like, hey man, like, that happened to me. Obviously not all of them are in the military. Some of them are pre military as kids. And it's like we did. They didn't talk about it either. And it's like, well, that's a problem. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, I don't want to. I didn't, you know, I know there was no good way to word that question. [00:16:39] Speaker B: No, not at all. But it, you know, like I said, I'm very open, I'm very honest. I talk about my stuff easily. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I just, you know, it's unfortunate that, you know, that that happens to anybody. And it breaks my heart that that's something that that happens. You know, you're already, you know, in such a. What you're giving of yourself is so much to have that actually happen during that and still be able to focus on the task and the mission at hand, whether you're a contractor, whether you're over there as a, you know, in combat or whatever the field is. I just. I can't even imagine having to deal with that and still do exactly what you're trained to do it. [00:17:14] Speaker B: So it was kind of. It really messed me up, of course, because what had happened is it was right after boot camp, if you're a non grunt, non infantry, you go to mct, Marine combat training. That is the schoolhouse where you get a month long of basic how to be an infantry Marine if things happen. And in that being stuck in the medical platoon, that's where it happened. And it. I was so fresh into the Marine Corps with the big ideas of, this is a brotherhood, we are a family, we take care of our own. And then that happens. And so immediately it was like, well, shattered all that. Yeah, it completely destroyed it shattered my commands, not listening or noticing. There was like a huge sense of betrayal. It was. I don't know, it was just. It was. It felt extra wrong in a way that I don't know how to explain. [00:17:59] Speaker A: Well, I certainly don't want to, you know, relive and continue to bring up, you know, bad things that happen to you and overshadows the great work. Because again, what happened to you hasn't defined who you are. What is the ultimate goal of heavy hitters? Because even the name alone, like, right, sounds like it's got like, you know, like, hey, man, you know, you're you. Whether. And it's crazy. It expanded to not just people in the military, like you said, first responders, firefighters, police officers. It's gained traction. Like, you don't do stuff that most people do. You're not putting a light bulb in and then you fell off a ladder and said, hey, man, you know, that sucked. Like, no, you guys are dealing with life and death, man. So what's your ultimate goal of this organization? [00:18:36] Speaker B: So it's really simple. Behind me, the banner there, it's kind of a motto. It's just one more. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Okay. [00:18:43] Speaker B: When I did this, I said, if I can save one life, I'll be happy. I could quit the next day and call it good. Mission accomplished, I win. If we did what, we saved one, and then that turned into two. And so that's always been the goal, is just one more. Overall, the goal, right, is for us to get to a point where we can start supporting veterans working as kind of a tertiary. So there's programs out there for veterans. Can Go on these retreats to go do certain things. And we work as kind of like the middleman on like, hey, like that cost $150 for you to go out for a week. Hey, here, let's, let's cover that cost for you. Like, let's go get you the help. [00:19:15] Speaker A: I can imagine though, that states would be very receptive to actually partnering with your organization to be able to do retreats. And then, you know, I, I see things like with this, you know, whether it's training programs, you know, college, you know, obviously guys, I'm sure you guys have other funds to do college, but even if it's something, you know, additional education or, or scholarship funds for the kids or something like that, I mean, the sky's the limit really for an organization like that, because then I don't want to overspeak you. Nurses and doctors see a lot of trauma too. And I'm not sure, you know, based on the people that are reaching out to you too, it could expand bigger than you probably could even imagine. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's been the, the crazy part for me is like, I was just into the doctor getting some of my medical issues checked out and my doc noticed, she's like, hey, you've been happier lately. Like, what's going on? I kind of ran her in and she's like, we need to talk more. And I'm like, okay, like, gladly, like. But it's just, it's like I said, it's overwhelming the amount of support or like the people that you wouldn't expect, who want to do good things, they just. Yeah, because where to start with it? [00:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah, because sometimes people, look, all the guys are, you know, a heart surgeon, he lives in the nice neighborhood, drives a fancy car. And then they're like, yeah, but that guy might have seen some kid, you know, he's seeing the drunk driving victim at 3 o'clock in the morning. You know, he's telling the parents, you know, your kid's not going to make it and so step into that man's shoes or that woman's shoes, that they have to have those conversations with people and they don't have a shoulder to cry on. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:41] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? So. [00:20:42] Speaker B: And bringing that home isn't. It can't really be done. Not without drastically impacting your relationship. So you, you're learning that middle ground. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I gotta tell you, man, you know, from a civilian standpoint, the fact that you wanted to talk, you know, to me, you know, I'm always cognizant of only can imagining what you guys go through. And because you see movies and because you see TV shows and in a way, like, you know, it's entertainment for people, right? [00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:07] Speaker A: But at the same time, they straddle line between entertainment and telling the story. Right. But it's important to talk to somebody in real life because behind that movie or that TV show is a living, breathing human being who actually was impacted in ways that you can't imagine. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah. I think our media does a terrible job of portraying what war is. I'm sure you've heard the saying that war is hell. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:21:31] Speaker B: In my opinion, that's a lie. War is worse than hell because at least in hell, only bad people are there. There's innocence, and they get impacted. And so you see a side of humanity that you shouldn't, and there's things that happen that will impact you for the rest of your life that, that they don't talk about. And that. That's sad. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, it. It's funny because, you know, as. As a kid, you're kind of, you know, if you grew up in a halfway decent way, hopefully you did. And, you know, you get. You get isolated from bad things. Right. Like, you know, you may get a. You know, people pass away, you know, usually under natural circumstances. Maybe you went through a parental divorce, maybe you didn't, you know, but there was nothing usually, hopefully, that was like, hey, man, there are bombs in your back. You know, there are children getting, you know, in putting very perilous positions. There are communities that are stuck with a terrorist organization literally in their face. Right. And you, you know, going in your yard or playing, you know, ball in the street ain't happening. And so it's. But your work, you know, I wish. Do you have a website? Like, how do people find you guys? [00:22:31] Speaker B: So we do have a website. It's. I'm trying to remember it now. It's heaviest project.org, okay. Is the website. We are. We're in the middle of revamping it. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Trying to be. Trying to do it all myself. You know, it gets to be a lot, and I'm not the smartest. I'm still a crayon eater. [00:22:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:22:49] Speaker B: So we're so working on revamping it. Also on that website, there is a QR code to join our community. Once again, everybody's welcome. It's not just a veteran thing. It's a. Yes, we are focused on veterans. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Of course. [00:23:01] Speaker B: We also understand everybody hurts and they need help. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Well, was there any particular person before? I know your time's value. I'm very grateful for it. Was there any particular person that you were able to reach out to? They said, okay, now I found my purpose once I got back. Was it just a vfw, Was it a doctor? Or did you just kind of sit at home one day and said, this is what I had. [00:23:24] Speaker B: I don't know. Like, it's really weird. Like, it was more or less off the hip, off the cuff idea. On, like, I just want to go back to helping people, but this time in a good way without having to deal with any bad things. Well, I don't want to say that, but, like, in a way that's more positive than not positive. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Of course. But it was. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it was more or less just the off the cuff idea. There was a. I will say, like, we. We lost a dude to suicide my last year, and. And that kind of impacted me in a lot of ways. [00:23:54] Speaker A: Right. Of course it did. [00:23:56] Speaker B: So that's. I think that's where a lot of the fight comes from. Of, like, I. I remember hearing about his death, going to his funeral as his honor guard, watching his wife cry over the casket, and being like, I don't want that to happen again. Anybody else? [00:24:10] Speaker A: Yep. [00:24:12] Speaker B: So, yeah. [00:24:12] Speaker A: And one thing led to another. Once you realize how you can make. [00:24:15] Speaker B: An impact, once I had gotten my head straight and been like, okay, well, I can start impacting the world because I have now impacted myself good enough, been like, all right, well, let's tackle this. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And I want to. I want to hear you conquering, you know, great things and just the seeds of small seed that you've planted and the lives that you have saved so far. There's probably going to be a lot more even while you're talking right now. And I'm sure you sleep better at night because of it. [00:24:38] Speaker B: I hope so. That's the hope, right? Just one more. [00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, what you all have given of yourselves is one of the greatest reasons why we have the beautiful country that we live in. And I'm very, very thankful that you shared your story and your time. And I want to make sure that the Tron podcast gets a chance to talk to people like yourself, because all walks of life are welcome on here with interesting stories and backgrounds. And your time has been very precious. Very, very, very, very precious. I'm glad you got to spend it on here. [00:25:05] Speaker B: I appreciate it and thank you for having me. It's always a blast getting to talk to people, so I enjoy it. [00:25:09] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. Love the work you do, brother. You keep up the good fight, all right? Thanks, Robert. [00:25:14] Speaker B: Have a good one. [00:25:14] Speaker A: You too, man. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Bye.