Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Listeners of the Tron podcast, this is your host, Rashad Woods. And today I have one of the most special guests I've had a chance to talk to. Because what she does is so personal and related to your health. And it's your skin, your well being, and how you live your life and be the best version of yourself you can. The integrative esthetician, former nurse Cindy Touchet. Thank you so much.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. I'm thrilled to be here.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: You know, you know, and we talked before, and I thought that one of the things that was most interesting in our conversations was how personal what you do is. And people oftentimes, you know, when they look internally, they think their heart, their liver, their lungs, and those are all very, very, very important. Your whole body is. But your skin sometimes gets overlooked and it, look, it gets to be, let me just get a wax peeling. Let me just get, you know, shaving done. But it doesn't become part of your actual health and well being. And you have specialized in that.
[00:00:48] Speaker B: Absolutely. You know, it's, it's interesting. Our society treats our skin kind of like Saran wrap. It's just there as a covering. It doesn't really get any credit for being a vital organ.
And so we treat it that way and until things start going wrong and then we focus on the skin. But the skin is the largest organ of the body. It is so crucial. And, and most importantly, aside from being part of our protective barrier and, and immune system, it, it's our mirror to what's going on on the inside. We can use what our skin is doing as a clue to what's going on beneath.
[00:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, it's, it's funny because even, you know, if you consistently get certain conditions on your skin that ultimately can lead to an underlying condition, and I think oftentimes, and I'm even guilty of it, Right. You never want to be told there's something wrong with you.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: You immediately want to get, you want to jump to. This just has to be something small and I can ignore it. So in your field of work, because of your nurse history, you obviously have a better perspective, you know, of the entirety of somebody's body as a whole. So how did you transition from nursing to being an esthetician?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: That transition was, truthfully, by accident.
There had been major changes going on in health care around 2012, at least here in my hospital, and they weren't in alignment with what I felt healthcare should be doing. And so I just started looking, you know, broadening my perspective. I Actually had created a business plan for a different business and then changed my mind on that and then was led to the spa industry and was doing a presentation and I was told, oh, you're a teacher. And I'm like, well, yeah, I've been a nurse educator for years. And they're like, well, you should open a school. And so I did. Not the smartest choice to start two businesses at once, a spot in a school, but I did. And, and then after a year or so, I think it might have been I closed the spa only because I was going insane. And, and the students were where my passion was, that was my focus. And so never regretted that. That was nine and a half years ago and I have not regretted it since.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's awesome. So when, when a custom, when a client comes in and you know, obviously you're doing very successful, very well, first of all, I'll let you tell the name of it. It's White Magnolia Advanced Skincare. Correct.
Right. And so you have you. When you get a client that comes in for the first time, what kind of consultation should they expect? As opposed to somebody just, you know, walk in the door and says, hey, you want this procedure done? Sign a form, let's get to work.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: Right. You know, one of the big things I'm trying to teach my students, and it certainly lands with a lot of them. It doesn't with all, is that we have to ask the questions. And so we go into the why we ask certain questions and then always asking more and going deeper. You know, as a professional, especially once we get into doing advanced things like microdermabrasion, chemical peels, microneedling. When we start doing things where we're asking the body to generate a healing response, which is what those services are doing, we have to make sure that that client is healthy enough to mount that response.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: We are not putting them at risk. If you are performing services on someone who is quasi healthy or really not healthy, these are the folks that end up having bad reactions, bad results, and getting injured in the treatment room. And so that's our main impetus is to make sure that people are getting the results that they need and are safe. And then by, by empowering the students to ask deeper questions and to, to broaden their perspective, then we are also engaging that client. And so then the client feels heard, the client feels like they're getting a true service that's actually going to impact them versus just getting a facial. Right, right. I mean, there's sure. Do I want to just Get a facial sometimes, you bet. But if I'm going to partner with someone to address my skin and issues that I'm having, I want to partner and I want to, I want to make the results happen.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: And I don't think, you know, it's always, you know, fascinating to me because you know, we, we treat, you know, you know, procedures like haircuts, like a, like a, like a skin treatment as really just something you would squeeze in on a lunch break, you know, or, or quickly get done. But you don't realize the actual health implications of not having somebody who's licensed, who's certified, who doesn't, you know, have the proper procedures in place for sterilization and the well being of their clients at risk because diseases can be outbreak from, from places like that. People can die from skin infections even from a haircut. Right, right. And we've seen, you know, sure. You know, and you don't think about that because you're sitting there chat, you know, and I have wonderful barbers so that's not a slack. But it's just like you don't, it doesn't even cross your mind that you could have an illness that could spread.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. It's, it's a huge part. And that's where the licensing for the beauty industry comes in. It's, it's mainly about protecting the public. It's about protecting the industry as well. But for the most part it's about protecting the public. But unfortunately, the, the standard beauty education.
Yes. Do they teach that part, the infection control? Yes, for the most part.
But what they don't really go into is that client connection and really focusing on the health of the client because it's not in our scope. And I completely disagree with that. If I'm, if I'm performing a service for ensuring that that client is going to be safe to receive that service is 100% within my scope of, scope of practice.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: And, and so, but you have to actually talk to the client and listen to them and not only is it what they're saying, but it's also how they're saying it. And, and so we're missing the mark in the beauty industry when we, when we treat things so superficially.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: As a cosmetic.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: No, go ahead please.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: As a cosmetic situation as opposed to a health situation.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: You bet. You bet. And is there a place for superficial and cosmetic. You bet, absolutely.
And, and because you gotta, your clients are going to resonate. So if that's where you are, you're going to attract the clients that resonate with doing services at where you are.
I just happen to resonate at a deeper level and want to really show my students and show other estheticians that you can go deeper. And it's so rewarding and so powerful when you do.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Well, I think it's fascinating too because, you know, when somebody's like, they're doing a chemical peel, you know, there's surface layers of your skin that are coming off, right. And you actually, you know, like, when you actually like. And you know, unfortunately, you know, you hear this all the time. Time when women primarily are getting these, these injections from God knows where across the globe because they want to get it cheaper done. And then they go to some place that is completely unqualified and then you hear horror stories. They either got maimed or they died from an infectious disease. Because the industry, from my understanding, is really, really regulated at the state level. And, you know, there's not really a national standard. Am I, am I correct by saying that?
[00:08:34] Speaker B: That is correct, yeah. So, and, and, and you're exactly right. When, you know, when people are harmed in their services, and this is not to throw shade by any means, but typically the person, every, every instance of a harm or a negative result that I have heard firsthand from people or from people that have someone that they know that was injured, it really comes down to the fact that that esthetician or that service provider did not do a thorough consultation and put the health and the needs of the client first.
[00:09:15] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: They just, you know, the client chose from a menu a certain peel that wasn't appropriate. The esthetician knew it wasn't appropriate but went ahead and did it anyway.
[00:09:27] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: Or they, they didn't get that piece of the education, the consultation piece when they were learning chemical peels. And so they don't even know that they should be asking more questions about that person's health and where they are to, you know, from a physical and a non physical health standpoint before they go putting this product on the face.
[00:09:52] Speaker A: Well, it's funny.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: No, I'm so. I thought you were done. I was just gonna say it's so funny, like if your fridge or dishwasher goes bad, right. You want somebody to diagnose it before they just put the part right on the fridge or the dishwasher. Right. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You're not going to just put in a motor before I confirm. Right. Or they're going to diagnose themselves and you're okay with that procedure. But when it comes to something as Important as your skin. You know, you're like, hey, I just need to get in and out, need to get in and out. I got to be, you know, somewhere else in this amount of time. Get this done.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Right, right. And so yes, we're not allowed to diagnose, but I know it. The client that's appropriate and the client that is not appropriate. And that's where, and that's where asking the right questions comes, comes in. And understanding what true physical and non physical health actually are, that's another, that's a huge disconnect in our society. People don't actually understand what real health is. And because the media, the pharmaceutical industry, western medicine, they've skewed what that really is.
If you're taking three or four medications, that's not healthy, that's suppressing symptoms and your body is wanting, is trying to tell you something with those symptoms. And so it's understanding.
We use a functional medicine approach from the physical health standpoint. So for there are four main root causes of disease, at least that's how we're framing it for my class. You know, nutrient deficiencies, chronic inflammation, gut dysbiosis, where your gut is out of whack and mitochondrial failure. And how we can have an impact on the, the physical health and then from a non physical health, which, which I, I use that term because it's, it's your mindset, it's your mental health, it's your emotional health.
It's.
So that's going to go more into really the subconscious mind. And nobody talks about the subconscious mind and how powerful and how critical it is for health.
If we have limiting beliefs at the subconscious level that say I'm not worthy, I'm unhealthy, those drive us to and really are going to show up in our health.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: I think what I saw too was interesting on your video of your official website was like, you know, when you're looking at somebody's skin, you're also being able to tell some sort of underlying conditions. Obviously you can't diagnose. But you can also, you know, have the power as a business owner and license to say I can't do this procedure because you need to get this investigated further. Right. So you say you can see people's stress points, you know, you know, the skin can ultimately reveal some sort of underlining condition, that this is better not service for you until you get this one particular thing that may need to be addressed.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Absolutely, absolutely.
You know, someone comes to me for a chemical peel, let's say it's an accountant and it's in the end of March. I'm not doing a chemical peel on an accountant at the end of March. They're too stressed. Their body is running at max. Right.
So, so I'm going to encourage them to just get a nourishing facial and then with my intention and with my, my, my whole process, I'm going to be able to give them more and nourish them and help them relax and then let's get that peel in May once everything has kind of settled out.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: Blood pressure down and. Yeah, you're not, you're not working 16 hour days and weekends and things like that.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That, that is a huge piece like school teachers. Not in August, not in May for certain. My sister is a schoolteacher. There are certain times that you don't, you just love on the nurses. You don't ask their body to respond in any way, shape or form.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: And then you know, and knowing that is a very powerful tool because that, that involves repeat clients and then, and then you know, when you coming in there, you know, and I'm. But on the opposite side of it is too. You probably have had to had some difficult conversations with people who did not want to hear that particular piece of information, you know, and can you dive deep into that? Obviously privacy law is not withstanding.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: Sure. I, that's one of the things that I teach my client, my students rather is how to fire a client.
It is a powerful part of this industry because here's the thing and this is when you're, when you come out of school and you get your license and you've been empowered, you, you approach the industry very differently.
But when a client comes to me and they're trying to, they don't want to listen to my professional opinion and about what I know these services are doing, what I know about what they've told me about their health and whether or not those match and they're going to try and bully me or pressure me into doing services that in my gut I know are wrong.
[00:15:02] Speaker A: Right.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: That is not a person that I want to actually engage with. I'm going to politely, as best I can, encourage them to find another esthetician where they're going to meet at because there are plenty of people. Everybody's going to find people that they're going to resonate with and, but that does not resonate with me because then you're going out in the world and if this person then is injured, guess who they're blaming. Guess who they are Telling and leaving bad reviews for it's me or the refunds and all of that. And so as a professional, we need to make sure that we're, they're holding ourselves and our clients to professional standards.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: So as you have, as you have, you know people, you know employees and you have your certification program, what kind of teachings you know and specifications do they have to go under to work underneath you?
[00:15:54] Speaker B: So I primarily have my instructors and I've had them for so long. They're amazing women.
They are, they each have their own real great niche and are very diverse and, but then it's the students. And so we start our students out. We teach the traditional program using the traditional textbooks. But then we encourage our students to, we have critical thinking exercises that are required. We have projects to help them dive deeper into content, to learn things that excite them on their own. We also have a weekly self care assignment. This is the self care industry. And if we're not understanding that, yes, I've got school, I've got work, I've got kids, I've got family, I still have to fill my own cup. How are we going to teach our clients that they need to fill their cup? And, and so we have a, they have a, an assignment that they have to do self care every week. And then I've created, over the years I've been developing tools to help with this consultation to help empower students with their, you know, because they're, they're scared to death, help them understand and to get more comfortable asking those questions. And so I've created an online program that is for all estheticians to be able to learn these tools. And so the tools that I have for consultation are almost like critical thinking aids. But then we also have the background that goes into the physical health and the non physical health in a much bigger, different perspective from what the textbooks are sharing. So it's allowing them to go deeper because the more we can be open then the more when someone comes to us and they have a unique situation, our critical thinking is more empowered because we've got a broader base of understanding to, to pull from.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: Wonderful. You, you know what I thought was very interesting with, you know, your industry is obviously because it's so personal and you know, obviously people go to qualified people, but it also gets very specific to somebody's needs. Can you talk on how maybe you know, you know, as sensitively, obviously this is when people, hey, I have coarse hair, I have thick hair, I could be of a different race ethnicity. That comes into factor when it comes to personal services like that. It's no different than a haircut in that regard, where you're like, hey, you may have difference of being able to handle a particular texture. Some people's skin is more oily hair, hairy, susceptible to certain diseases and conditions too, as well. Too. What is that like in that. In your industry?
[00:18:31] Speaker B: You bet. And, and that's the, that's the beauty of this industry is that we, you know, you don't. Everybody doesn't do just one thing. And so if like, like, for example, I can wax, I can teach waxing. I hate waxing. It is not my thing. So if I was seeing clients, I would not be offering waxing. It doesn't excite me. It, it's messy. I just don't like it.
So, so nobody's going to come. Even if I did put it on my menu, people aren't going to come to me for my waxing because I'm putting out such a strong repulsion of it.
So, so, and I encourage my students. I'm like, you don't have to like everything and, and so focus on the things that you do and really master those, those skills, those clients. And that's, that's a lot of what I encourage folks to do if you're seeking a professional is to find someone that really tailors to your, your personal skin condition.
You know, darker skin. Absolutely. Has textured hair. They have different needs.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: And you need to find someone who can specialize in that.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: There's no question. Right.
And, you know, and that's the thing is too, and that's not a bad thing to say. That's not a dirty word. Right. I mean, you know, at the end of the day, you know, you have to have somebody who's comfortable, you know, with you and can actually perform the services. Or maybe there's, you know, you know, certain, you know, history of health is prem. It can, can happen in certain, you know, demographics, and they're, you know, you may likely have this instead or this mole or this cut. I've seen this before in my family or related, you know, lineage, so to speak.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I think there isn't anything wrong with going with someone, a professional that you resonate with.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: And it could be a race thing, it could be a gender thing, language.
It could be a lot of things.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: And that's. You're paying money for a service for your being, go where it feels the best.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's not, it's not a discrimination, it's a, it's a resonance thing, for sure. And you know, just like, you know, I'm a 55 year old woman and I don't think like most people, I am, whoo. I am out there when it comes to how I approach the world. And so if I were, if I'm going to my professionals, which I have professionals that I go and see, we're very like minded.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: We're very, we're able to converse at a level that is so comfortable for both of us because it's where we are.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: And so just like, you know, I love getting services from my students. I rarely do because they get so scared. I'm intimidating, of course. And so then all I'm getting from them are their nerves and their anxiety. That is not a relaxing service for me. Yeah. They ask me, can I give you a facial so that you can give me feedback and teach me some things? 100%, I'm happy to do that. But to say, hey, will you do this for me? Yeah, I'm not going to do it because it's, it's a resonance thing and that's okay. And their classmates, they resonate more with their classmates and are more comfortable.
And so, and then the guinea pigs, I've got hundreds of designated guinea pigs that come for services at the school. And those folks are used to the students and they're coming also. They get the benefit of the service, but they're coming knowing that they're supporting my students. So.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. And when, when you, when you do, you know, I know we talked before, you have had people who, you've had to say, I think, you know, hey, you're a smoker and you don't, you can't have this particular procedure done or, you know, or, you know, you have a certain, or certain things that would not be beneficial to you, how is the reception of that prospective client when it would be better service for you to get something under control?
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. And that's, that's such a huge part of it. And so when I, when I'm talking to a client and I go through our script of questions that I've tailored to help discern the health of the individual.
And when I, when I get those red flags and I ask more questions, it's not about me being judgmental, it's really about me performing an assessment for critical thinking. And so then if I do determine, you know, just because someone is a smoker doesn't necessarily mean that they can't have services. It's the rest of the story. What else is going on with this individual that maybe combined with the smoking is the issue. And so if I'm having someone and it's. And they're having a hard time hearing that they're not healthy, because that's a very common thing.
One of the tools that I teach in my course is a diagram. And I teach my students how to diagram the health.
And when we.
And so I will flip the client's paperwork over onto the blank sheet and I will draw their health for them. And, and then the, and you can see the, the realization come. That sinks in. And they're like, oh, well, I never realized. And, and that's because, again, society has never really been taught what true health actually is. And so then we can empower that client with some commonly, commonly available advice, whether it's. Maybe their, their diet is really poor and so they're having lots of chronic inflammation. Well, how do we eliminate some sugary drinks or we eliminate preservatives and see how you feel in a few weeks?
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Well, it's funny because, you know, when we get a prescription from our doctors, this is certainly not a slam from the medical industry, but you came directly from it. I mean, how often does somebody actually look up the medicine they're prescribed, see the side effects? No, you typically just go right to the pharmacy. Then after you feel like crap for two days, you're like, I had one medicine one time, and it literally, like, put me to sleep. It was like, it was a muscle relaxer. Now there's a difference between, like, it's supposed to take care of condition versus you're falling asleep standing up, right? And I'm like, how am I? Like, it was dangerous. I said, man, I remember after, like the third or fourth time I took it, I was like, man, I said, listen, I said, I understand this is a muscle relaxer. I said, but I'm literally dozing off, you know, for six hours at a time after taking one pill.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah.
[00:25:20] Speaker A: So this is not normal.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: No. And so, and that's. And so the pharmaceutical industry, that's. It is they, they create these, these medications that are like blankets.
Everybody doesn't resonate with that, with that medication. And that's where those side effects come in.
I heard a great explanation. You know, you've got all the body systems, and over time, you know, you're having damage to the certain systems. Well, we typically have a weaker system within the body, whether it's the cardiovascular or maybe it's the Gut. And so then as that one is failing faster, pharmaceuticals are being administered to bolster that system that's failing. But the other ones are now under the assault of that medication. And so it's all about the least harm. Right. Trying to, to minimize the impact of the one failing system without completely knocking out the rest of them.
You reminded me with your example. My dog, he's such a purist. He injured his back years ago and I gave him the muscle relaxant one time and he would never take it again. He does not like drugs. It's hilarious. I can't get him to do any medications whatsoever. So we don't even try anymore. It's. We go to the. I take him to the dog chiropractor and she fixes them every time.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: So I'm telling you man, that, that you know, psychopla benzoprene. If anybody's ever taken that boy, Boy.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: Oh yeah.
And it's.
And, and really pharmaceuticals, sure. There are some life saving ones. And I'm not, I'm, I'm all about. I understand Western medicine. So I always use the example. If I chop my arm off, please take me to the emergency room and let them sew it back on. I will handle the healing and the trauma and I will deal with all of that after the fact. But yes, let's get that acute care.
But from a chronic standpoint, Western medicine is failing because it's just all about suppressing symptoms and that's not creating lifestyle changes. Yeah. And so, but the, but the medications are. You have to detoxify them so that you know, and even antibiotics. Now take this with a grain of salt. I'm not telling people to not take antibiotics, of course. But what I am saying is you want to really think about the antibiotics before you take them because they are disrupting that microbiome that is so critical. And it's not just the pathogenic or bad bacteria that are dying. It's the good bacteria too.
And man, the side effects, the long term side effects from the gut dysbiosis that comes from chronic or repeated use of antibiotics or even just one administration of antibiotics can be very critical. I had a situation in 2018. It was one of the most stressful times I was having in these these certain months. Ended up with an infection. Took the antibiotics, which I normally didn't do, but I took them because I was so over my. Like I just was.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, you need it at that moment.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Once like I put on fifty pounds.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Oh my gosh.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Without. And, and it was. And it's I'm still getting rid of it, but it's. My body said no and it had to protect me and that's, that's how it chose to do it.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: So, yeah, I took, I took it and same thing happened to me once. It wasn't weight gain, but I got severely ill from taking a, you know, that fought off an infection, Bactrim. And it was rough.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And I had, you know, our bodies can heal. This is the other thing that we are not told it from the media, from pharmaceutical industry, because it's not what people want to hear, what the businesses want to hear. But your body can heal. If you give it what it needs, it can heal.
Now, if you're so far in the toilet that, that your, your body doesn't have enough of the energy that it needs to do the healing, well, then no, you. Right. But if you can catch things early and maintain a level of balance and health, for the most part, you don't have to rely on pharmaceuticals. Is it going to take longer? Yes. Are you going to feel like absolute kaka? Absolutely.
But. Right, so a fever, right, we feel terrible when we have a fever, but your body does a fever to help you, so we need to not stop the fever unless it's getting into that really critical range. But let your body, every time you do it, you strengthen your immune system.
It's beautiful.
But we've been so programmed that fevers are bad or scary. No, they're not. You just feel like crap.
[00:30:12] Speaker A: And then take three of these a day. Right. You're taking, you know, 15 milligrams of something per day over the counter.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And we can. And then, you know, do you feel better in 24 hours after taking the antibiotics? Absolutely.
And please, please, please, as a psa, if you're taking antibiotics, finish the medication. Please, please, please. I know you feel better, but you got to finish it because this is where resistant strains are coming from. Right. From inappropriate usage. So there's a lot to it. And if we just go and take everything that we hear from the media at face value, we're.
We're harming ourselves.
[00:30:53] Speaker A: Well, I thought, you know, one of the more interesting stories was how they found out about gluten free. Right. There was the wheat famine during World War II. I believe it was in Poland, if I'm not mistaken. And the way they found out was, you know, they were, the ill children were in the, in, in the medical ward and they were feeding them and you know, they, they had bread that they were feeding these kids Kept staying sick. Well, when there was the wheat famine at the time, obviously there was no bread coming in. Then suddenly these kids got really well all of a sudden. And then the doctor put two and two together when bread, when the wheat famine lifted and they, they gave him bread again and they got sick again. And he said, there's something inside of here. And that's when they found out gluten was causing these kids to be ill. And that's when the gluten free, you know, the gluten intolerance was first found. Sometimes out of tragic events you can find out certain situations. But to your point, the body was telling something. And that's ultimately how a lot of things get discovered. Right. When something is, is taken away and by circumstances and then suddenly people are getting healed.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Absolutely, absolutely. You know, we keep learning and learning and learning and that's one of the beautiful things. You know, as much as I can on one side say Western medicine is dropping the ball in a lot of areas there. The science and the, and the discoveries that have come from western medicine are profound and, and really have led to people being able to live longer and, and things like that. There's definitely benefits.
It's just when it comes to creating health that, that western medicine in, in my personal opinion, doesn't really do very well. Now functional medicine, if you're familiar, if you've ever seen a functional medicine provider or familiar with it, they're going into more of what is the cause of the, the disease or the illness or the chronic illness that you're dealing with. And they're drawing labs and they're doing a very comprehensive client consultation or patient consultation to, to really get to what are the issues. And if you've ever had your labs drawn from a functional medicine provider, it's mind blowing because you can think, oh, I'm doing really good. And then you look at your labs and like what? And so, yeah, and so then you go, okay, and, and you partner with this person and wow. It, it's, it's profound.
And so, but they're kind of the quackery from a lot of western medicine perspective, because western medicine is very narrow minded and. But the functional medicine providers are the ones out there going, that are breaking the ground, you know, with their, basically with their foreheads, you know, heading their way through.
There are better ways than just living and beating your body up and then expecting a pill to fix it.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: Well, I think it's something to be said that if you eat the, you know, the bacon, eggs and sausage for Breakfast every single day and you're having stomach issues. You know, you have to, sometimes at some point you may need to switch the avocado and almond milk and lightly buttered toast with a little bit of oatmeal to change. Change. Right. Those are the kind of things that at some point, you know, the light bulb has to go off as this is causing your stomach issues, so to speak.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. We, you know, you basically have to become your own personal detective and test things, you know, I've done that many times. I'm always doing that actually. I'm always trying new things and, and seeing how, how it works for me. You know.
Yes, I grew up in the western medicine world but my, my real place where I live is in, in more of the woo woo world. So if there's energy something, I've done it, I've read about it, I've taken classes on it, I've practiced it, I've done it. And, and it's been my own way because I like to take a little bit from here and a little bit from here and make it my own. And so, um, so pretty much if you come at me with some whacked out thing, I probably have tried it and it's awesome. But it's fun. It's fun and, and again, but that's not for everyone.
You know, everybody has to do them right. I, I am a big believer in you do you and let everybody else do themselves. Right.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: You know, I, I've always, I, I, I really was looking forward to this one because you know, your skin care and, and your well being and, and the totality of someone doesn't get the attention it deserves when they're going for a service based industry. When in reality, you know, yes, it's important to look good. Yes, it's important to get that, that chemical peel or that, or that, or that nail procedure or you know, wedding prom look good for the weekend, you know, but at the same time, you know, it is your health that is at risk every time you go into one of those facilities, you know, and unfortunately sometimes those places can be very lightly regulated and it's, you know, or people can operate, you know, in less than stellar manners that soils the industry. So for you to have the standards that you have, it's, I, I really applaud you for that.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah, well, thank you. But yes, that's a, that's a big thing. You know, the, the regulatory bodies, they don't really have, at least I know in my state they don't really have the ability to be going out like the health department and doing surprise inspections places. And so it's really the consumer has to be mindful of what am I seeing when I come in? Is this person, you know, washing their hands? Is the place clean? Are we, you know, those kinds of things are real telltale and, and ask about training. Ask where, you know, what kind of education, what kind of advanced certifications have they partaken in or have they learned all of their services and things from YouTube?
Yeah, I mean YouTube is great for showing some cool, maybe massage techniques and some fun things like that, but when it comes to doing something like a dermaplaning or a micro, let's take a class and let's get education about that and not just watch someone on YouTube do it.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: Without question, without question. There's, there's certainly a place for YouTube but certainly not for something that's going to, you know, feel, take, you know, layers of skin off.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: Absolutely. Like when I go to my washing machine breaks, I love using YouTube to figure out how to fix things. Right. But I'm not using it to learn how to fix humans.
[00:37:28] Speaker A: Never. Correct. Correct.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: I might use it for me, but I'm not using it for other people.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But you have a nurse. You know, you, you worked, you worked in the medical field. So you have a lot more. Unfortunately, you know, sometimes people need an instant gratification and they're willing to put their own body and health at risk or that of others to either make a quick buck or not go to somebody licensed or serviced. That's unfortunate.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: I always ask this question of every guest. You certainly don't need me for your name to get out there for purpose of this show. Where can people find you?
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Sure. Well, our website for the school, the white, the white magnolia skin institute.com and we're on the social medias. You can, you can search us up.
Instagram and Facebook are my main ones. I've just recently started to dip my toe into TikTok.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: I'm still.
[00:38:18] Speaker B: I struggle with that one Reddit. But yeah. So our website, White Magnolia Skin Institute.com is, is the best place to find us and there's a contact form if you have questions for me. Feel free to shoot me a, an email and, and I'm happy to answer questions. I have, I can refer you to books. I have all kinds of resources for folks.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Well, Cindy Touchett, you know, I've never, you know, been able to thank all of my guests enough and even though that obviously your, your years of service, both in nursing and in the skin institute that you have are not encompassed in a 30, 35 minute interview. But for the purpose of the show, I would like to say thank you. And I will certainly be more cognizant of that ingrown hair that I have to not self diagnose it myself because maybe I have something that could be underlining.
[00:39:07] Speaker B: Well, so a sharp razor. Do you shave?
[00:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I use, you know, razors tear me up.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: I do use a. An electric razor.
[00:39:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Okay, good. Yeah. Because often when we get ingrown hairs, it's because the hair is broken mid shaft of the follicle and then they grow in and cause that inflammation.
[00:39:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: Cause issues. Yeah. And that's the same with waxing. If you're getting ingrowns after waxing, there's a technique issue.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: Okay, okay. You know, it's. They're frustrating, but I've kept them to a minimal. But you know, all. You know, I, I really was looking forward to this interview because, you know, your, your skin certainly doesn't sometimes get the attention it deserves. And you know, with your medical background, you're kind of taking the best of both worlds with your practice and you're doing very successful at it. So thank you for being on the show.
[00:39:52] Speaker B: Well, thank you very much. It's been an absolute pleasure.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Appreciate you.
