Kelly Meloche

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome, everyone, to the Tron podcast. This is your host, Rashad Woods. Coming back from our neighbor to the north, Canada, we have a very special guest today, speaker. It's very important we discuss that she has created a business where she celebrates life for people as well as a very accomplished author. Kelly Milosh, ladies and gentlemen. [00:00:36] Speaker B: Hi there. Hi. [00:00:38] Speaker A: How you doing? Good. So tell us a little bit. Obviously you have a great background and the work you do helps people cope with very, very difficult times in their life. You also do very positive things, but not that. That's not positive, but particularly when it comes to coping and celebration of life. How did you get into that and how does that business go? [00:00:53] Speaker B: You know what? I actually had another business that was through thriving, and I closed that down. And really, in a way, I was discovered to be a celebrant. I didn't know what a celebrant was, but someone saw something in me and, and they were in the funeral industry and they said, you need to be a celebrant. And all I knew about that was that you get to know people and you tell their stories. I thought, I'm in, I'm in. So I, I developed the, the. I went for the training. I've been doing it ever since. I absolutely love it, what it really is, and everybody can make it their own. And it's. Now I'm mentoring other celebrants because I honestly believe that this is the way of. The way funerals should be. This is. Everybody should rethink how we celebrate life, not just grieve death. That comes. That's natural, of course. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Of course. [00:01:43] Speaker B: But if we look at someone's life, you even think of your own, every little nugget of lessons that you have, if at the end of this life that we can safely gather, tell the story of that person like the real story. Of course there's things that we can't, you know, disclose or whatever, but sometimes you can move around those. I don't care whether they've spent half their life in prison or whether they were a professor, whatever. We all have the story. We're all here to learn lessons. We're all perfectly imperfect, but if we can. If we can be in a room together and that. That is when we become one, at that moment, for sure, we just gather as love and as support and as kindness, and our hearts radiate that and we embrace that life that has impacted ours. So it's. It's amazing work. [00:02:33] Speaker A: So I thought what was great about is the fact that obviously when you come to a celebration of life rather than mourning death. Like, you're getting people through very difficult time periods. This has come from somebody, obviously, whose father passed away. Not that you knew, but father passed away. And I thought that getting through that process with positivity, you know, helps you get through that really dark period in life. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:51] Speaker A: My question is, is that there's a multitude questions. One of them, the first I had, was the expected kind of respectfully, versus the unexpected, like somebody's 95 years old, that may be a little bit easier, versus a sudden tragedy that happens to somebody. So how do you change the celebration of life dictated upon the circumstances? [00:03:10] Speaker B: You know what? That's a great question, because you're right. If grandma's been knitting her way through life, had a great life, certainly had her pitfalls along the way, that's when the war and the Depression, everything like that, you can talk about and have people realize how she encountered more movements in technology and medicine. That's one. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Absolutely, absolutely. [00:03:29] Speaker B: But when you have that loss, that guttural, this is a tragedy. I am an empathic emotional being. For me to be able to every. Because everybody wants to do something, everybody wants to help. This is my way to help. But you have to, you know, I have the opportunity to sit with the family in that space, and you have to allow that space to unfold. And there will be this time in the conversation where they now feel safe to say, you know what? He never drank the milk after he had seven bowls of cereal. You know what I mean? Those little things. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Those little nuances that they. They haven't been thinking about. But all of a sudden, all these puzzle pieces come together, and when you bring everybody there, every single person in that room will be seeing and feeling that loss differently. It's not the same. There's no. [00:04:25] Speaker A: No question. [00:04:26] Speaker B: Exactly. Everybody has a different story about them, but if they can hear bits of that story and they can feel safe to laugh, to laugh, to chuckle, to understand that this. This life, this nuance of this person is very real and prevalent. And I don't have to tuck them away in the corner and act like I have to move on without them. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Of course. [00:04:47] Speaker B: Of course you can pull them inside. Like with your father, you. You know, now you probably look at yourself and you talk to him in different ways, you feel him in different ways, you see him in different ways. And with those. Those tragic ones that will stick with everybody forever, There is an opportunity right then in the celebration of life to start the healing process by looking at them, feeling them and not turning away and trying to deny it. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Because, you know, it's. When you're in the. It's. I said this to everybody as somebody who's. Who's lost somebody, you know, my father, it. Being in the front row is being. Is different than being in the back row. Right. Uncle, cousin, friend, you know, et cetera. Your loss is much different from the person who's sitting at the very front row. And I've only been in the front row one time, and it is a massive difference of, you know, hey, sorry for your loss. I'm gonna go back to my regular life. Versus when you have to go home and you have to live with what just happened. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Right. And you don't realize if it's not your front seat at a funeral, you don't realize how the people. You probably felt this with your dad, that the people behind you and beside you, they're seated there, are actually. Actually flanking you. You're actually leaning on their energy. You won't find the right words to thank them. You won't find the right words to describe how you're feeling. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:06] Speaker B: But their presence is helping you. But you're right. Them. And then people all of a sudden go on with their own lives. You try to find a way to go on differently with your own life, questionably. And the big mistake that people make is that they'll run into you two months later, three months later, two days later, and they will avoid the subject where they should bring the subject. They should make your dad the thing they bring up. [00:06:28] Speaker A: It's funny you mentioned that, because it's that awkward moment of like, you know, you don't. Like you don't know what to say. But coming from somebody who's an expert in that field, you know exactly how to get people through that process. People see people. It's that awkward moment of you don't know what to say. Like, I just saw you at a. At your parents or whatever, close one's funeral last week, and now, you know, what do I say? [00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And the hardest thing is, and I've talked to people that have said this, that for the first time, they're out grocery shopping or they're doing whatever, and they always used to do something with their spouse or, you know, their child is missing at that point, and they're doing their best to gather the courage to be in the real world, and they'll see people that they know, and they've seen people avoid them. And it's only because these people Are like, I don't know what to say. But why, why can't you just walk up, give them a hug and say, I don't know what to say, but. [00:07:16] Speaker A: My heart's with, yeah, that, that goes a long way. And so, you know, and that's beautiful work. And I did have a question. How do you, how do you work when it comes to different religious ceremonies? Because everybody's background is different. Some could be Catholic. So how, how do you do those when it comes to the process of people's different beliefs? [00:07:31] Speaker B: Well, you know what, most of the time when someone wants a celebration of life, it doesn't mean that they're not religious. Certainly doesn't mean that I'm not religious. But I am very non denominational. When people will say, well, what church are you from? Because I will include prayers most of the time. If I include prayers, I write a prayer for that specific person and what life meant to the planet and went to other people for sure. So I will tell people I'm, I'm a member of the church of kindness. [00:08:00] Speaker A: Nice, nice. [00:08:01] Speaker B: That's all I believe in. So if they are Catholic, if they are Buddhist, if they are, and I've worked with all religions, sometimes I'm super fortunate because clergy from that religion will agree to come in nice, five, ten minutes and that's the best thing. If we can amalgamate like that, it should happen more. But if not, and if I'm not comfortable, if I feel like, you know what, you want me to say this prayer. But, but now for the first time in this whole ceremony, I'm just going to be reading words and I won't be feeling them from the place I need to feel them because it's new to me and I did not write this from my heart. Usually a family member or friend will come up and they will share it. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Got it. [00:08:43] Speaker B: It's how we're supposed to be working together on the planet. Everybody bring their genius together. Yeah. [00:08:48] Speaker A: There's very few things that bring people together, you know, in a pseudo positive manner under tough circumstances is grief because nobody's immune from it. Right. And we all. [00:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:58] Speaker A: And so that's, that's great work that you do. I saw also that you're an author as well too. Let's talk about your book, please. [00:09:04] Speaker B: This book, such a labor of love. I've always wanted to write a book. You know, when I was in high school, I was told, kelly, you're going to be a journalist one day, you're going to write a book one day. And I had been covering so many unique lives, but they were lives like everyday people that are just going through life. But when you get into them, when you get to unfold those levels and you get to ask the families questions that they never even thought about, remarkable things came through and it changed me. So I just sat down with a cross section that I hoped everybody could open up. You know, I don't know whether, you know the book Chicken Soup for the Soul, but that's how I wanted it to read. [00:09:44] Speaker A: Gotcha. My mom had that book. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And you could read it over and over and over again. So some people would say that so reminded me of my dad. My dad was a barber too, or my mom was a teacher. Like, this makes sense to me. So I wrote book in 144 days. True labor of Love. My dog is included in it because. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Beautiful. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:10:08] Speaker A: That's wonderful. So, you know, I saw just briefly, and I took some notes about it quick, too. And it said, you know, let's take a look here. Like, the challenging of the limitations of traditional funerals, which we talked about a little bit earlier as well, too. So did you use your childhood examples to write the book? Like, did you go through anything in particular in life that led you down this path that said, you know what, there needs to be more positivity in a career that I want to work with people. Did you see anything early on that made you want to do this? [00:10:34] Speaker B: You know what? I think I will say that I think my whole life has groomed me for this, but I didn't know. I. I lost my parents. And I won't say that there's one thing, but I did. I lost my dad when I was 20, my mom when I was 27. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Right. That's young. [00:10:50] Speaker B: That's young. Yeah. And so you know what? [00:10:53] Speaker A: They. [00:10:53] Speaker B: They haven't seen my children. I've. I've gone through those stages of my life without them. And I envy my friends when they're my age and they're still, you know, going shopping with their mom. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:04] Speaker B: I don't see that I've carried that as a weight, like, for me. [00:11:08] Speaker A: But you think about it. [00:11:09] Speaker B: But I do think about it, and I do hope that they feel so blessed that they have that in their life, because you always need your parent in one capacity or another. Because our parents, our parents help us to understand our who's and our whys. There's this Aboriginal saying that I learned, and they say we live for the seven generations before us and the seven generations that will come after us. So we are like this tapestry, this thread. So I always think that everything that I've done in my life, I have always looked at people in the most positive way. And then when this came up, I have learned I didn't know this myself, that I have created the role of a celebrant in a whole new way. Because I will. At 2:00 in the morning, I'll wake up and I think I forgot that she loved blue toenail polish. I forgot that. And that needs to be said because I want that. I want people to feel like that woman is right there at her celebration of life. And they're. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Well, not only that though, and I say this respectfully, it means you didn't just read off the piece of paper about somebody's life. Right. You know, if you know that what their favorite food were, if you knew about their habits, if you knew that they golfed on Saturday mornings. Right. And you know it. Those things radiate and matter to people. [00:12:24] Speaker B: And those, you know, they do. Yeah. So I. And especially now with the world that is so topsy turvy, a lot of times people say to me, oh my God, Kelly, what you do, it must be. You must be so sad. It must be. And it is. But I look at it like I have a way to infuse comfort and kindness and thoughtfulness and understanding and non judgment into a moment that is going to happen for sure. And we all need to be able to embrace this. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Well, I thought too. And what's the reason I asked about your background and how you led to that is because I went to your LinkedIn profile. Right. And you go from customs tax collector. Right. To then communication for the Ministry of Tax Community Transportation. I'm like, that's, that's an interesting like arc that you went from cost. Because usually I'm not, I don't want to stereotype, but I think customs goes to law enforcement, goes to, you know, public safety. Not this particular avenue. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Right, right. Well, you know, even when I was a customs officer, I was, I would, I think I was effective because I had a way to engage with the people. I'm five feet tall. There's nothing intimidating about me. Five feet tall. I have a lot of teeth, big smile. Nobody hears me, not even my children did. So I moved from there and then, yeah, I moved to the Ministry of Transportation. I became their use of force tactical communications instructor. [00:13:47] Speaker A: That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. [00:13:49] Speaker B: So there I was in front of all these big guerrilla guys that never smiled Mirror glasses. And I'm teaching them tactical communication skills. And then I got pretty good with takedowns because it was never about strength, it was all about agility. So expect I'm taking that 200 pound guy down now in a fist fight. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But still, you knew. Yeah, you knew. That's awesome. Like, and that's, that's one of the reasons that was so fascinating. I'm like, how did she go from that to that? [00:14:20] Speaker B: But no, I know. [00:14:22] Speaker A: And then in customs you are pro. Like, I've been through customs hundreds of times. Right. And the amount of different people that you encounter by the hour has to be staggering. [00:14:32] Speaker B: It was amazing. And again, I learned so much. I used to realize that especially as a young woman in my 20s, you would get different cultures in front of you and they had absolutely no reason to talk to you from their cultural perspective. I don't want to talk to you. And my thought was, I am not here to change your history of beliefs right now. We have to find our common ground. You have to find a way to communicate for sure. Disrespect you. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:04] Speaker B: But you can't disrespect me either. [00:15:06] Speaker A: So they need you more than you need them to be honest with you. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. If you want, I can always win this. At the end of the day, I can win this discussion. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Absolutely you can. [00:15:18] Speaker B: I'm a more powerful one right now, but yeah. And so then you move on to law enforcement with the ministry, and you encounter all of that. You, you encounter different personalities. But there is this book, I can forget the authors right now, but it's called what happened to you? What happened to you. And what that is, is that you can go to any single person on the planet and say what happened to you? Because by the time you're 20, 30, 40, 50, you've had things happen to you that will display themselves in everyday life, no question. And you're not, you're not dealing with, oh, I'm going through the border right now, or I'm dealing with ever. It is your history. So sometimes I will. Especially when I'm dealing with families and I see the dynamics. Like you can feel the tension in the room between siblings. They're all trying to play nice in this sandbox, but boy, is there some animosity. So I have to, I just walk in. What do they say is Sweden or Switzerland? [00:16:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Totally neutral, totally neutral. [00:16:16] Speaker B: I love all of you. Some a little more, some a little less. You know, we're going to try to make this right. But I think, like, where did you come from? And then, and then I opened up a medical travel company. [00:16:27] Speaker A: I was going to ask about that. What's that? Hurley Medical Centers. You work with Hurley Medical Centers? [00:16:31] Speaker B: Well, it was international healthcare providers. Hurley was one of my contacts. But I used to write for this magazine and just kind of for fun. And one of. One of the discussions I had with the doctor you used to kind of. You go back and forth with me was that, you know, our Canadian socialized system, people are waiting and waiting for health care. And it's too bad that someone just didn't have the precedence or the ability to know how to go to the States and pay for it if they wanted to. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Well, I saw that example you use where I saw the article on your LinkedIn profile. The person went to Flint to get the MRI and the details of it all was very, you know, they were able to get treatment as quick as possible. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Lifesavers, Lifesavers. That was just a whim. And this is how things. I think when you're in the right spot, right, things just open up for you. Because next thing I know, I have partnerships all over the U.S. i have partnerships in Mexico, I'm over in New Zealand. I'm the keynote speaker at Caesar's palace. And I'm. [00:17:25] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Not joking. No. And I. [00:17:28] Speaker A: That's beautiful. [00:17:28] Speaker B: I'm at Simon Fraser University, speaking on the ethics committee. And, and I will say this, my success was only attributed to me being able to say, here I am. I am just Cali from the small town in Amherstburg. My intention is to do something really good for the world. I was at this conference for the most. It was like the most powerful women leaders in the world. And there's all of these women married to princes, and you're having to pinch yourself. [00:17:59] Speaker A: You're pinching yourself like, I'm here. [00:18:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I've got a name tag. Like, they haven't found out that I'm just Kelly. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker B: And then I realized, but you're just you, I'm just me. So if we can get rid of all of our labels, all of our dogma. We do. We all have the same feelings. We all bleed the same way, you know, and that was what it was about. So I had all the success. And I think this, this is why I say my calling was to become a celebrant, because I can sit with any walk of life and I truly am an open vessel because I just want to understand you. [00:18:34] Speaker A: Well, I think the most important part is everybody Has a story to tell. And it's how you frame the question to somebody. You know, it's when you come in there without an agenda and you say, just tell me exactly how you framed this particular segment of your life. And so when you talked about, you know, when you went back to that, you know, with funeral services, and, you know, obviously that's a big portion of what you do. So I'm just focusing on this right now, is that when the person, sometimes that passed away is the glue that held opposite type of people together. Right. And so they were the only reason they got together for either like a wedding or. Or a bird. You know where I'm going with this. And now you have TNT in the room. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:19:13] Speaker A: It don't take much. You know, that person does not want to see that. And it could be their brother or their sister or it could be. It doesn't matter who it is. And so for you to be that medium, for you to be that calm voice in the room, they'll probably talk to you before they talk to the person sitting right across from. [00:19:28] Speaker B: 100%. 100%. And they will. I will see that the only the icon or the eye contact is towards me, or once there's something they disagree with, they won't say anything. But then here comes the sigh, hard drop of the pen. [00:19:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Or here comes the phone call afterwards as I'm driving away where the. I didn't want to be rude. I just wanted to tell you this, how wrong they were. But the truth is, everybody had their own relationship with that matriarch or patriarch or with the son or with the cousin, whatever. So they're right. However they're feeling 100% right and they're validated. And what happens after that is up to them. [00:20:09] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:20:10] Speaker B: But you do. So I will try to infuse that language in the body of the service. If I talk a little bit about acceptance and forgiveness and realizing that everybody has their own dichotomy of how they travel through life. I hope I plant that seed. I don't know. [00:20:28] Speaker A: But, yeah, you know, it's just, it's. It's. I think having you. As opposed to those people attempting to talk to each other. And this isn't me saying a Canadian thing. Right. Because it happens. This is a global thing. Right. Like, if people don't like each other, they don't like each other. Right. That's just. That's just fact. But no, that's beautiful work that you do. I did have a question, though, because, you know, it's funny, I have. I have three daughters. Right. And one of the things that, you know, they were asking about photo albums and pictures and things like that. We live in more of a digital era now that people don't go through, like, photo books anymore. Like, you used to go through a photo album. Like, how do you. I know that's not. People don't take pictures where it comes out of the Polaroid. They go to the. They go to the pharmacy or, you know, the grocery store and they get the picture developed and there's not a montage available for people. Now how do you. How does that work itself out with you? Because those are important for memory purposes. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Those are really important. So sometimes if it's. If it's the older generation, they do have the photo album. [00:21:21] Speaker A: They do. [00:21:22] Speaker B: So they can go through that. If they are all digital, thank goodness, the funeral homes, they can send in. They can send in those pictures and then they can kind of make a collage out of those pictures to post. Or the family can go and have a bunch of pictures printed out. [00:21:39] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:39] Speaker B: But it's totally different right now. That we don't have the tangible. [00:21:44] Speaker A: No, no. [00:21:46] Speaker B: And. And I think that makes a big difference. I do miss the days where we would go to the. The drugstore and be like, oh, we're waiting for the film to develop. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker B: And they didn't show up. And why do I have all these pictures of feet or whatever? [00:22:00] Speaker A: Well, you know, even, like, even the past time on that rainy day Saturday, you would go through a photo album, right? [00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:06] Speaker A: And there would be like four or five stacks of photo albums, and you don't have that. You just go through your phone and it's not the same emotional connection for people. It is not. [00:22:15] Speaker B: No, it's not the same. And it's so readily available now. People. And that's why, you know, the blessing and the curse of social media. So through social media, you know, some people are on vacation and they can post, you know, we're having dinner. But then other people will post every move of their day, all day long. You just can't. I'm happy for you. You can't be dragged along. Or then there's the passive aggressive where someone will just write, having a really bad day. Don't want to talk about it. Send prayers. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah. But they really want to be reached out to. [00:22:47] Speaker B: They really want. So imagine if you just didn't do that. Imagine if we could return to your phone ringing and saying, oh, my God, I'm spinning right now. Do you have like, can I come up like we used to do? I'm having a hard time. Let's have a conversation. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Well, my. You know, my girls will be text messing their friend. I'm like, why don't you pick up and call them? Pick up the phone. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Yes. Relationships are managed via text. Via text. And I don't even know. This is so off topic, but if you watch Love is Blind because I've not seen that. Oh my God. That's my mindless. When I need to check out of all things seen in the world. [00:23:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Blind. But I'll watch that. And people will just be having a fight over what they. Someone posted on Instagram two weeks ago. And Right. [00:23:36] Speaker A: And it's just. They just put on the. They just go down. They're typing faster and harder too. And Right. And then the emojis come out. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:43] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:23:44] Speaker B: Or we need more connection. And that's what celebrations of life do. They get you not only to think about that person that you lost, they get you to think about your story. How am I writing my story? How would I be remembered? [00:23:58] Speaker A: That's. And you know, when you start thinking like that, you know, because it's the one date we can't change. Unfortunately, I do you also do weddings too, right? So obviously, how did you know? You kind of do it all that. Which is fascinating because again, celebration of life is not just when somebody passes, but there you also do milestones, weddings. Like how. How did. Does that all kind of encompass in the. In the same mode of work that you do? [00:24:20] Speaker B: You know what? I was doing celebrations of life first. And then people would stop me say, do you do weddings? And it was always like, no, I don't. No, I don't. So finally I thought, well, I really should. So I became a wedding officiant. And I was booked solid before I was even a legal wedding officiant. Like my first day doing weddings, I had two in one day. And it was kind of funny because I said to everybody, you made me do this. Yeah, yeah, my wedding officiant now. But I approach it in the same way. So I meet with the couples and I learn their story. I ask them questions individually and I bring that into their wedding vows, their wedding ceremony. So it's not boring. It's not just a bunch of words. I don't show up with the same thing. I mean, break my femur if I have to show up every day and just read off something and not be invested. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Insert name, speak insert right. [00:25:14] Speaker B: No chat. GPT it not it's much more work. It is much more work to get to know them. And. But at the end of the day, when you leave, when I leave a celebration of life or I leave a wedding, and I know that they had something unique to them then I think, you know what? Today was a good day. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Well, it's funny, you talk about what people want for convenience, but they want personal service. The perfect example of that to me is like self checkout. Like, how frustrated do you get itself? Like, you're ready to absolutely break the screen because. And you're like, can you please get me a person? Right? So who's willing to listen if it's something as important of the wedding, take the time out to get somebody that'll sell you a personal story as opposed to just printing out a generic personal service matters. It does. [00:26:00] Speaker B: It matters. Connection matters. Feeling seen and feeling heard, right. Is part of our birthright. Everybody wants to know that they really cared about what I was saying. They stopped to listen to what I was saying. I meant something to that person. I mean, we make it so complicated. And it's not just listen, just do. [00:26:22] Speaker A: It's crazy, you know? You know, I could go down the wormhole of this forever, right? Like, and I don't want to take up too much. Your time. Your time's valuable, but it's like getting your prescription in the mail. You're like, well, like, people want to see their pharmacist, right? People want to see their pharmacist. Yes, it's cool. I can get my. But you don't know, like, they answer questions for you. You may. It could be a generational thing. If it's your local pharmacy and they've seen your parents, they see you, they see your kids, etc, right? So people like that personal touch, you know, and, and your business hits the nail on the head where people generally want to feel connected to something. [00:26:51] Speaker B: They want to feel like not only does their loved one really matter. Like, I want you to know how amazing my mom was. But part of that is when they get to express it, when they get to think about. I never even thought about that with my mom, or. You just allowed me to remember this one day. It seems insignificant, but it's so not. Then they realize that they matter too. [00:27:17] Speaker A: No question. Well, I have to ask you, you've never. You don't need me because you've done phenomenal work. Where can people find Kelly Milosh? [00:27:23] Speaker B: Well, they can, of course, because we talked about this before. They can in the beautiful town of Amherstburg, Ontario. They can find me on my website, www.kellymilosh.com yes, they can find me on LinkedIn. They can find me on Facebook and they can. If they find my number, they can find me on the phone. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah, like I said, I got a chance to look at your accomplishments. They speak for themselves. I think the world could use a lot more positivity. And if people, you never know when your time is to go. And I would always say save those pictures, save those messages. You know, this is just me took him from the outside in, you know, and when you want somebody remembered, it's nice to have somebody like you in. [00:28:03] Speaker B: There and have the conversation. Right? Have that outstanding conversation. Always let someone know how much they are loved or valued or cherished or even if they're frustrating. You have that conversation too, for sure. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Well, I want to thank you for allowing me to annoy you for about 30 minutes. 30, you know, and so it's been a pleasure. I hope we have around two for some follow up, but thank you for being on the Tron podcast. [00:28:25] Speaker B: You are delightful. Thank you so much. [00:28:28] Speaker A: I appreciate you so much. And best wishes for future work with you. [00:28:31] Speaker B: You too. Take care. [00:28:32] Speaker A: Bye. [00:28:33] Speaker B: Bye. It.