Kelly Travis

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back, everyone, to the Tron podcast. This is your host, Rashad woods, by way of Michigan, and currently in the beautiful city of Las Vegas, Nevada. This is Kelly Travis, ladies and gentlemen, and she has some very interesting stories to tell of how she became who she is, and I think you'll like what you have to hear. Thank you for joining me, Kelly. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to talk to a fellow Michigander. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I appreciate you. Appreciate you. You have a very interesting background because you were. You're. You're certified in something. I didn't know what this was called, but when I looked it up, I realized it's more common than what I thought it was. And it's an Enneagram. You're certified in being an Enneagram. So, first of all, just tell us a little bit about yourself. [00:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I am originally from Michigan. I have lived in several places, but somehow landed in Las Vegas accidentally have two little boys, single mom, and I run my own business. I work with high achievers, and I work in organizations around team dynamics. So, yeah. [00:00:56] Speaker A: What's the most fascinating thing that you learned about yourself as you became an entrepreneur? What. What were the steps it took to become okay, this is what I want to do. How do I. You know, because people have a tendency to hesitate, to want to go out on their own. So what was your trigger point to be to do that? [00:01:09] Speaker B: I have a personality. The Enneagram is all about personalities and kind of our core motivators. I always had a side hustle. Like every job I've ever had, I had a side hustle. [00:01:20] Speaker A: Nice. [00:01:21] Speaker B: And it was because there was always this part of me that knew I wanted to work for myself. I don't do well working for people who tell me what to do, but they lack, like, direction and a vision and, like, decisiveness, for sure. When I was pregnant with my first son, it came to this realization because of my history. I have a background in mental health and have my own mental health struggles that we can touch on. I had taken a detour from that work and ended up in marketing and publishing, and I had risen really high in the organization. But I came to this realization when I got pregnant. Like, I'm not happy and I'm hustling and I'm, like, trying to prove myself, and I'm doing it. But at the end of the day, every milestone I reach, I'm like, this doesn't make me happy. And so I decided at that point, if I'm going to be a mom, I want to show up better for my kid. So I need to be doing something that I love. And that's kind of how I detoured fully into entrepreneurship. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Fantastic. What's the official name of your company? [00:02:24] Speaker B: It's just my name. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Okay. That's. Well, yeah. Hey, you know, I'm not saying this, I'm just curious. Cause I was looking and I was like trying to find more. So my first question is, how did you start getting clients? Like, how did you know this is the field that I wanted to go into? Because it looks like in addition to be a certified Enneagram practitioner, you're a career and wellness coach. So when you're first trying to get clients, was it coworkers, was it people who were quote unquote, trying to do something different like yourself, or did you go to small business owners? [00:02:50] Speaker B: All of it. When I started, it was really like word of mouth, referral based. A lot of my business really comes from relationships, both individually and inside organizations. So that's how it started. Now I do a lot more speaking and can kind of reach people and connect with people through those ways and those outlets. So it's shifted a little bit. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Gotcha. So as far as being, you know, I'm very sensitive, I think, when it comes to mental health. And this is where I'm gonna take a pause because I haven't had those experiences that people have had. But I think there's been a lot more sensitivity that has taken place in the last 10, 15 years than there was previously. Right. And I think that, you know, there's more openness. You see athletes, you see various public figures openly speaking out, good or bad, you know, but it's. It's prevalent that people have it. It's part of everyday life. So. So how did you manage to overcome yours? You don't have to get too personal. You can if you want to. And just what, what did you experience that made you realize that that was something you wanted? Helping? [00:03:48] Speaker B: I didn't have a choice. I was a collegiate athlete, high level. And I had a horrible coach who took advantage of my drive and basically told me that if I wanted to get better, I needed to lose weight. And I, as a 19 year old trying to, you know, become a professional athlete was like. But little did I know that I was kind of predisposed to these types of issues. I mean, you can categorize an eating disorder as an addiction. And so I took it too far and I lost the amount of weight he asked me to do. And then I just kept going. And my Last race ended up being nationals. I was an all American cross country. I ran track also, and I had to drop out of school. I was admitted to the hospital. I had severe, like, thinning lining around the heart. My organs were starting to fail, like all of it. So that was kind of like the wake up call. But I resisted for a long time, like a lot of people do, because I was holding on to this thing that made me feel in control. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Right. [00:04:50] Speaker B: And I remember the first time I sat down with a therapist, I had never been in therapy. My family was very. We were a family that you didn't talk about things, you just ignored them. They didn't exist. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Like 95%. Can we call a spade a spade? I mean, it's 95% of most families, right? Like, go. I don't want to interrupt your story, but like, no, you're good. Like, go figure it out. Go play outside kind of a deal, right? [00:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah. This thing is not happening. We're not talking about it. Whatever. Toughen up, Kelly. You're good. Like, that was the, you know, that was. I also think, like, generationally, that was also the thing, right? Like, suck it up. [00:05:25] Speaker A: I mean, you know, your parents and I, we're not too far from the same, you know, generation. And it was basically like everybody watched Wonder Years. Like, the dad was like, like, for all intents and purposes, dude, like, if you're not bleeding on your way to the hospital, you know, with all, Figure it out. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know about you, but as a parent, I have to catch myself with that now because I can hear my parents saying that and I'm hearing the words come out of my mouth. [00:05:51] Speaker A: I'll see like the little word box with all the little funny words that I'm not supposed to say. I'll be like, is this really, like. I really got to like, be like the generation of the 2025 and be in touch with the feelings. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Uhhuh. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Step by step process of your emotions instead of just like, geez, just pick yourself up, you know? [00:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think a little bit of that is helpful, but, like, we definitely have grown anyway. My first experience with therapy, I didn't say a word the whole session. And slowly I started to talk. But I will say, despite that experience, I. I recovered physically. I gained all the weight I was supposed to. I was able to go back to college, but it took me until having my first son to really make that transition and to get healthy. And that contributes to a lot of my work now, because what didn't work is now, what I apply to my work today. [00:06:46] Speaker A: So here's the question. What are the. Some of the misconceptions? And I don't want to beat this issue down with a dead horse on you because there's so much more to you than, you know, what you occurred there. But what's the misconception about an eating disorder? Cause, you know, like, just from the outside looking in, like, what do people perceive about it that's like, this should be an easy fix for somebody, just quote, unquote, eat something and kind of get over it. [00:07:06] Speaker B: Well, I'll tell you, my dad is a great example. When he picked me up, when I dropped out of college, he said, why are you doing this to yourself? Like, the perception is we have a choice. Right? But like most addictions, there's this need to numb out, to not feel right, to be in control. For eating disorders, it's a control thing. Anorexia in particular, obviously, alcoholism and depression, different things like that. It's a different type of numbing out. Right, right. But it is this, like, thing that allows you to not have to deal with stuff. It's like the whole thing you focus on, it's really, really. It's a deep issue and it's hard to come out of, and it runs your life. [00:07:50] Speaker A: I'm glad you came out of that. I'm glad we're able to talk. You know, on the positive side, you come through. What's. When we talk about your client base. Right. And it's a variety of clients. It's, you know, whether it's a career coach or whether it's the mental health avenue. Like, how does a typical client not, I wanna say typical, but what's the stages and steps that you put them through to. To get to where they need to get. [00:08:10] Speaker B: It's a good question. So I operate on a continuum. Typically, there's. We're either in like these four stages, operating on autopilot, unaware, completely unaware of what's happening with us. Right. This is a lot of society, by the way. [00:08:25] Speaker A: You literally, like. And can I. I don't wanna. I don't wanna interrupt, but the way you said that, it's like you could probably take a shower, make break on your clothes with your eyes closed. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker A: How most people can function right now because there's alarm bell hits and then they're just autoplay. [00:08:40] Speaker B: And like, culturally, right now, people are really struggling. Right. So it's this, don't think about it, don't talk about it. Just, like, get through the day. Right. Which is not helpful for us. So then that's on one side. And then we kind of move into this rigid stage, which is more of, I'm aware stuff's not going well and I'm not feeling good, but I'm just. I'm going to keep going because I don't know what to do. And then we move into the adaptive stage, which is more of, I'm aware I want to fix this. Right. I need to do the work, and I'm ready. And then we get all the way to the other side, which is very transformative. That takes our entire life to get all the way over there. My work is really within that rigid and adaptive stage where people are becoming aware and ready to start to figure out what to do. And so that work looks different depending on the person. But because of my background and my education, it is this mix of. We're incorporating mental and emotional health with, like, behavior. I know you want to achieve. I want you. I know you want to perform. In order to do that, like, what's going on? What's standing in your way? [00:09:48] Speaker A: I think you kind of guess what's my next is, like, do you give them that. That enneagram test to say before we can proceed? This is what. I need this from you to fill this out. Be as honest as possible. [00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah. So I. I do an assessment through with the enneagram, and that provides me a whole bunch of information about the individual, and it also helps them start to become aware of the behaviors and their blind spots and, like, some of the stuff that's holding them back and those patterns that keep us stuck for sure. [00:10:15] Speaker A: And so. And the thing is about it, there are probably. People have habits and patterns that they don't even know they have. [00:10:19] Speaker B: Right, right. That's right. [00:10:20] Speaker A: And so I'm willing to bet that you. You read people pretty well now. [00:10:24] Speaker B: I do. [00:10:26] Speaker A: It's kind of scary right now because, like, I'm almost like, what's that one movie with. My gosh, he's the actor, where he took the pill, and then he all of a sudden had, like, the enhanced senses. [00:10:36] Speaker B: Yes. I can't remember. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Bradley Cooper. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. [00:10:40] Speaker A: So that's what I'm thinking. You got right now. That's kind of scary. [00:10:43] Speaker B: I do. I'm very, very good at being like, okay, I know what motivates that person. I can definitely tell. Yep. Yeah. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Limitless. I think that was what it was called. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's what. Yeah, that's so, like, so when people get these results, because this is so fascinating to me. People get these results and they're like, okay, this is where. Where you are. Personality type. I don't know how in how in depth is an anagram test. [00:11:05] Speaker B: It's really in depth. The actual assessment changes depending on your answer. So you and I would not get the same assessment because we would answer things differently. And then it's going to give you stuff to then go further at that. It's core. The enneagram doesn't just tell you how you behave, but it tells you why you behave the way you do. And it's not about changing who you are. It's about basically learning that there's more than one way to do things. There's more than one way to think we aren't stuck in these patterns and behaviors. We can try on different glasses and look at the world with different perspectives. And that's where that real growth comes. [00:11:44] Speaker A: So you're, you're doing well. You're getting your clients. Do you have. Is. Is it. And then you start doing speeches. So what kind of speeches do you give? Is it your own business? Are you invited to places to speak at companies? Or how does, how does that work? [00:11:56] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of it is doing speaking engagements at conferences or inside organizations for their employees or groups will bring me in, depending on what they're trying to achieve. [00:12:08] Speaker A: You know, that's, you know, because I think that I have to. Have you ever spoken at like high schools? Because what you overcame, you know, especially that transitional period when, I mean, you come in there like some kids come in at 13. Right. Depending on where your birthday falls in. Right. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Well, and now with sports, I don't know if you followed it, but now athletes in high school can get paid. There's this whole shift that's happening, and I don't like that. [00:12:33] Speaker A: Okay. [00:12:33] Speaker B: I think it puts on pressure way too early on. The kids, I can't imagine. Of course, it's a wonderful opportunity, but you're too young anyway. That's a whole other thing. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, you, you know, I was fortunate enough to be a blessed five, eight. And when you start realizing the guy who's six foot two is going to play Big Ten basketball, and you're like, yeah, time to hit the books. Like, your perspective in life starts changing real quick. You can jump that high. Not. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah, so. [00:13:01] Speaker A: But no, you know, and again, this is why I like to hear different perspectives about things like that. So I can get your point of view on things like that. Because I thought it was important that if you're dealing with. And again, boys and gentlemen suffer eating disorders and other mental health things as well too. And I have to imagine that it's probably been a very stunning revelation when you realize the type of stories that you hear from people now that there is more avenues for people to actually reach out. Whereas generationally, you were a little bit of generation before it was okay to start doing things like that. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yes, but here's the difference. And I know you have a son is. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Do you have three daughters? Three daughters, actually. [00:13:37] Speaker B: And. Oh, you have daughters. Okay, so this, this will be important for you. Yeah, I think that it has changed because when we were young, we didn't have social media. Like our influences were the people in our lives who were criticizing us or telling us we had to do anything. But now they're getting online and seeing women who are trying to lo lose weight or, you know, look a certain way and all of this stuff. Men too. Right. And so it is much. I think it's probably more prevalent now. We're having a lot of like a rise in all of this stuff. And. And unfortunately it becomes something that people strive for too because it's this. Right. And the, the actual recovery rate for an eating disorder is very low. So it's just, it's scary. Scary for sure. [00:14:25] Speaker A: I'll tell. You know, it's funny because you said the nail on the head, like, if people actually would research past what they saw, like most of these influencers, not all. I'm not going to put everybody on the bus, but if you actually start researching it, a lot of them actually are on steroids. Right. And it's there, you know, if you've worked out worth the salt of any in your life, you can say there's no way you got that natural. There's just. No, it's not happening the way the veins are popping out. [00:14:49] Speaker B: No. [00:14:50] Speaker A: You're taking diuretics. I know you are. There's no. [00:14:52] Speaker B: And there's filters too. Like, don't even. I mean, not even that. It's like you can make yourself look 20 years younger. [00:14:59] Speaker A: Absolutely. 100%, 150%. You know, so. So is. Is. Do you have to be certified in the things that you're doing for people? Like, is there any like. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Certifications, things like that? [00:15:11] Speaker B: Yes, I have a mental health background. I have additional certifications. The enneagram being one. A coaching certification. Yes, there's. But unfortunately, that's a whole other problem where people are trying to provide services and they have zero background. [00:15:26] Speaker A: Well, everybody's an expert on You. [00:15:27] Speaker B: I know. Yeah. [00:15:29] Speaker A: You know, and that's what you know, that's why you know your background. So that's why I was so curious. And I have to ask that just because. Yeah, every state's different, right. Every situation. You know, you can be an assistant or you can be a coach, but you're. You're not a. You're not X, Y and Z because you don't have X, Y and Z certification. Which is fine, you know, in some. In a lot of cases. Right. But you just have to be able to have the right. I was just curious about your own specific qualifications. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I wouldn't do it if I wasn't qualified, but I'm a different person than some other people. [00:15:58] Speaker A: Thank you for that. So I saw that you say that you make sure that you create boundaries, you know, safe boundaries. So what did you learn for people in addition to their career as well as their mental health, about people creating those safe boundaries and putting those in place? [00:16:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, you know, there's a certain type of person who, when they're trying to achieve or get to another level. Level, they will sacrifice themselves to do so. Right. They want to please, they want to get affirmation, they want to be accepted, all of these things. And so a huge thing that I work with a lot of my clients on are not just setting boundaries, but learning to say no. Because one of the huge, you know, the big things that burns people out, that causes a lot of stress, is that constantly making yourself available. And again, this goes back to technology. We're now in this age where people can reach us at all hours and through many different mediums and works. Think we're expected to respond immediately? You don't have to. [00:17:01] Speaker A: No. Well, not to cut you off, but no, you're good. Is that if you don't reply to that email right away, you know, if you expect the email, I mean, how. We're guilty of it ourselves. Right? Like, I sent you an email 10 minutes ago, you didn't reply back. Right. And people are like, dude, what are you talking? Like, I do live. I don't just, like, stare at this continuously. [00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah. We're conditioned now at this point culturally. Right. That, you know, people should respond or we should respond and we don't have to. We get to teach people how to treat us and we get to set those boundaries. Right. And if it means you add something to your email that says, hey, I only check my email at, you know, 9:00am and 5:00pm if you need to reach me, and it's an emergency, call me. Otherwise I'll get to you within 24 hours or whatever. We can set those. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Well, it's funny you say that. Right. So I tell my daughters all the time about the quote unquote, the good old days of like, you do realize like you can you going on Netflix and being able to get like Moana 2, like three months after it was in the theater. I had to wait a year for it. Right. Like, like, you know, you and what. The other funny part about it is too is like you, like, you order a pizza through an app, hypothetically, you go on the website, whatever. The process of making that pizza didn't get any quicker. Your access to make the order did. So now people are expecting that if I ordered my pizza on this app, even though I have the time, even though I have the email confirmation, they're driving up to the place, you know, ready, and the person behind the counter is like, yeah, it's sitting in the queue. We haven't even touched it. Right. And it's like people have been conditioned that think that because they got that confirmation that they're, they're. That is automatically processed. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, I think that has impacted us also in the way that we want immediate results for ourselves. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Absolutely, absolutely. [00:18:46] Speaker B: So if I can order something and get it within an hour, why can't I have, you know, these changes within myself? You know? [00:18:54] Speaker A: Well, I was going to, I was going to tie that back into exactly what you're talking about. Just because you took that self assessment and you got it back to Kelly, you haven't even had your first session yet to even actually implement the changes in place. You just printed it out. Right. Like I hit send. This is. All of a sudden I have magic, you know, magic happening. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Have to imagine that you have to coach people through that. Right. Yeah. [00:19:15] Speaker B: And you know, anything worth achieving or getting, it takes time. And, and my work is all about like, what's sustainable. And if we rush things, that's not sustainable. Right. It's also not effective for sure. [00:19:29] Speaker A: So what's the typical time frame for somebody to see some tangible improvements in the processes that you laid out? And then the other question I have is, how did you come to those four stages of what somebody needed to go through to, you know, like, where did that come from and how long does it take for somebody so to. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Have any sort of. Aha. First session. Yeah. To. To start to implement work, meaningful work. Three months. You start to really kind of experience some changes and some shifts. The length of time I work with people is really dependent on what their goals are and what they're trying to work through and where they're starting on that continuum. Right. If somebody comes in, they're just entering the rigid stage. That's going to take a lot longer than somebody who's already in that adaptive place. I created that really based on the 10 plus years I've been in business and the information I've received just in kind of working with people and my own life. Like when I was pregnant with that first son, I was in autopilot. Like everything looked great on the outside, but I was a hot mess, completely unaware of what was happening, lying to myself about everything. So for myself, I've kind of really been able to identify those things too. [00:20:41] Speaker A: So I gotta ask this next question. It's like asking the barber who cuts their hair who helps Kelly Travis when she needs to have like a reset or her stages. Like are you quote unquote, eating your own food, so to speak? Right. Or do you sit back and say, and do people work for you? Do you have like, where do you go? And do you have anybody who helps you when with your clients? [00:20:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I have a therapist because I believe everybody. I believe in therapy. Obviously my background is in mental health and I'm learning every day about myself because I'm constantly paying attention and trying to figure out how I can evolve and change and grow. Especially as somebody who has kids. You know this, like we're constantly going, oh, well, that didn't work. What's going on with me? What's showing up for me right now? That something's not going on. Right. Or something. [00:21:29] Speaker A: The key as a parent too is like, honestly, like when you just have to say, you know what, I'm completely wrong and you exactly correct about. And then I don't think the average person realizes how hard that is because like you're the adult, like you're supposed to have the answers. And then when you have to be like, you know what, for all intents and purposes, you 11 year old, you were absolutely correct. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Yep. I'm constantly apologizing to my kids. So that. And just working with my clients every day. I would be. What's the word? If I was telling people what to do, but I wasn't doing it myself, whatever, that I'm drawing a blank right now, having a moment. [00:22:05] Speaker A: I get where you're going to though. I get where you're. Yeah, you have a therapist yourself because you were looking for self improvement. You have to practice what you preach, so to speak. [00:22:12] Speaker B: Thank you. That practice what I preach. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah, that's all good. So it. I had a listic because this is so fascinating, right. Because like, I'm just like, you have a therapist, like, and you've helped organizations. What's the next step of what you want to do to take you your ability and skillset to the next level? Who do you want to reach? What happens? [00:22:29] Speaker B: I love working with teams and helping them with dynamics because we're bringing ourselves to a team. So, like, if we're not in the right place and everybody else isn't in the right place and they're not aware, there's just a lot of problems. Right. But it's not something that companies generally touch on because we have goals, we have to hit numbers, we have to. Right. Coming into a team, helping them understand who's on the team, communication styles, interaction styles, what differences you bring and how valuable that is. All of that is so fascinating to me and I love it. On a professional level, I'm working on my master's degree because I want to have a. I want to have a more in depth background in mental health. So I'm getting my counseling degree and I will still use it inside companies and with my clients. But it's just this. Just, just more information. Right. Which makes me better. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Do you see a generational difference between who can be more open or a gender difference between who can be more open to services that you provide? What's the divide? You see? [00:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I would say people about our age and younger are open and willing to do the work. They're less skeptical. They're, you know, and then as you get, like people who probably are a bit older than us. Yeah, it's really those baby boomers that are really not, they're just like, I'm. This is who I am. Right. [00:23:59] Speaker A: You know, you know, and to circle back from the beginning, it's a generational thing. Right. So there's, you know, it was, you know, the neighbors aren't supposed to know your business kind of environment. You're supposed to keep everything in house. Nothing is supposed to leave these four walls kind of a situation. Why do you need to see a doctor outside of getting a shot or a procedure done. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:17] Speaker A: So, you know, I can see where the, the. You have to kind of drag somebody along from a certain age bracket if they're willing to utilize your services. Because it's, it's got to be an ultimate challenge. I always ask everybody this, like, where can people find you? [00:24:32] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, my website is kellytravis.net information, how to work with me. All of that stuff is there. I just started a new podcast, like, a month and a half ago. I had a podcast for four years, ended it. Now I have this new one. It's called ready when you are. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:24:51] Speaker B: And we really touch on this stuff, and the takeaways are really specific to where you're at on that continuum that we just talked about, for sure. And then on social media, I really just spend time on Instagram, and that's at withKelly. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Travis, you know, I think that the work that you do is great. And I think that, you know, I always like when people. When they say that they help people in this regard, they have, you know, either certifications or they're board certified, or they have something and a piece of paper is obviously subjective, depending on the field that you're in. But, you know, knowing that you have met certain criteria, you know, that to be able to do what you do lends credibility towards the things that you're accomplishing for people. [00:25:30] Speaker B: So, yeah. Thank you. [00:25:31] Speaker A: That goes a long way. That's nice to hear, and I'm glad you've overcome the challenges in your life and you're working through it every day. Did you have questions for me? [00:25:38] Speaker B: No. I'm excited that you're putting this out there, and I can't wait to hear the other interviews you've done. [00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, you know, the. The tr. I wasn't smart enough to do anything else, so one thing I thought was, like, you know, I could do a podcast. You know, I think that by being curious, you almost put yourself back into that kid mode a little bit again. Because the beauty about children is, is that they don't care if they trip, they don't care if they slip and fall, they don't care if they mean. Some laugh, but, like, they have such a mindset of curiosity that is envious when you get to be an adult, because then asking a lot of questions and being curious almost gets kind of frowned upon or it's a little stuck. It's a little too weird for some people. So I created this podcast because you should always be reading, you should always watch a documentary, and you should always look for deeper things that are more interesting than the world that's just staring you in the face. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Yes. I love that. And you're really great at interviewing. [00:26:31] Speaker A: So, you know, the one thing I really appreciate that because, you know, people's time is valuable, and I want to make sure that they feel welcome here, and that's what this show is all about the randomness of nothing. And I really appreciate kind words. Kelly Travis, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any other questions, I only ask that people subscribe and tune in when, when this, this, this podcast begins its journey into the randomness of nothing. Thank you, Kelly. [00:26:53] Speaker B: Thank you.