Sharon Rolph

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back, everyone, to the Tron podcast. This is your host today, Rashad Woods. Today's guest is all about maximizing your retirement and being able to have that second half in life that you hope to have and dream of. Today is a very special guest from Seattle, Washington, Sharon Roth. Thank you very much for joining me today. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Shout out. It's great to be here. [00:00:19] Speaker A: I really appreciate you. So you, obviously, you're retired, and I got a chance to look at your background. I'm very, very excited because you're at a stage in life where you're giving back from your retirement to be able to actually show people, you know, to ignite that spark in them when they reach that stage in life where they're trying to kind of find themselves, you know, because they've been so busy for so long. So you want to just dive in. [00:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, there's. There's the mundane of paying for the roof over your head and your car and your education, all that. We kind of forget our dreams, and in retirement, we get to live from our heart. And nobody really tells us that, but it's so important because having a new purpose and a new focus on life is what gives us longevity and better health and purpose. [00:01:03] Speaker A: So. So take it for. So you retired from Boeing. You're, you're, you're in Seattle area. Seattle's beautiful, by the way. I love that city. That's an awesome city. Yeah, it's really, really. Yeah. I got a chance to go to a couple places up there when I visited the, obviously, the Space Needle, and then the. The Museum of Rock Museum, the Music Museum, where they have like, all the different musical things in there and things like that. I'm probably butchering the name of it, but it's a wonderful museum. I got a chance to go up to up there too, as well. So you're retired. So what actually inspired you? Did you kind of have to figure this out on your own or did you, like, was there a source that you reached out to when you retirement, or was it kind of getting towards the end of your career? You started thinking about this? [00:01:40] Speaker B: Well, a little bit of all of that as a teenager. Kind of like, I wonder what my potential is. [00:01:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Kind of mystery. And during my career, I, a few times had been asked and kind of volunteered to help people rewrite their. Improve their resume, because sometimes we're too close to our own skin to be objective, you know? [00:02:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:02:03] Speaker B: And, you know, we think, can everybody do that? Well, no, you can't. Yeah. So I Had actually felt invisible my whole career, and that kind of led me a little bit to what I'm doing. But I got a master's degree in behavioral science, and that just ignited my fire to. To see everybody as a unique person with nuggets of gold inside that. [00:02:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:02:27] Speaker B: They need to be sharing. And just like not being objective enough about ourselves, well, we might not realize that a talent is something everybody else is hungry for you to share. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Correct. [00:02:41] Speaker B: So I had. Had felt invisible because as a kid, I wanted to be invisible. There was abuse going on, and. And I said, well, if I double down and get good grades and be obedient and don't rock the boat, maybe I'll be safe. And it worked pretty well for me. But I didn't realize until after I retired that I kind of was still invisible. You know, I was in. Even in coaching class. I started the class just the week before I retired, and I was often the last one to speak because I kind of would summarize what the discussion was and mention a book or a. Or website and throw in my nugget of value right at the end. I wouldn't participate in the discussions that much. So the. The process I take people through is what I learned in coaching class. Okay, so this is pretty valuable. I paid $10,000 to learn. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. [00:03:36] Speaker B: And the first weekend of class, they taught us how to write our essence statement. Well, I've kind of renamed that to being our spark, because essence is used a lot these days and doesn't always mean as much to everybody. So I thought, well, kind of more, maybe it's not exciting understood either. Yeah. When I point to my heart, it kind of like my intrinsic motivation. [00:04:01] Speaker A: For sure. For sure. [00:04:04] Speaker B: So we stood in a circle at the end of the class that weekend and read our essence statement to each other and kind of noticed some of the people sharing were kind of sniffling. And I thought, what's that about? And as it came my turn, it's like nobody's ever asked me to divine my soul before. That's what it felt like. And here's what I shared. I am precious jewel of wisdom. I am colorful collaborator, motivator, and learner. I am tranquil, authentic, and pure. Inspired. I like fires. [00:04:40] Speaker A: It's beautiful. That's beautiful. [00:04:42] Speaker B: I want to light everybody's fire, because when we live from what's inside of us are kind of invisible assets. It makes. It makes life a lot like, I think, heaven on earth. There's joy and fulfillment, and it's, you know, It. It flows. My company is called Effortless Vitality, and I got it. Yeah. So when you're in the flow and it just. Nobody has to prime your pump to get you to share, it's, like, easy. You know, I can do that. And I want everybody to recognize that there's joy and fulfillment from what comes from our heart. And the world needs to change. It needs to heal. It needs harmony. We can help bring that with our spark. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Well, one of the interesting things that I always do with this podcast is that is I'm honored to have guests like yourself who have discovered that inner joy, that inner peace, that next level to help people. And so my question is, is this because people are living longer than ever before? So. And then you have people, and then a lot of people. My mother's retired, for instance. And so there you find there's a lot of people out there who are looking for that next stage, because being active, finding similar communities, and being able to relate to people with similar circumstances keeps them moving further along in life and finding joy and happiness. So what were some common things that you saw from people who were retired when you started your business? Their concerns, their passions, the things they were going through? [00:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah, well, actually, the first thing I noticed is that when they didn't have their business card anymore, this defined them. You know, this is my title. This is the team I work with. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:06:19] Speaker B: This is what I wish. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:22] Speaker B: That's gone. What do I do now? You know, they. So they were. They were. The structure of their day, why they needed to get up at, you know, with the alarm clock and where they need to go. And what. What was. What am I going to do now? Their identity kind of had dissipated, and so they were confused. And then there's people that, you know, they might play golf every day, but is golf fulfilling after four years? [00:06:49] Speaker A: Right? [00:06:50] Speaker B: And let's see the. Oh, and. And I don't have kids. And. But all the people that have kids and grandkids, they're, grandma, can you come help me, you know, with my. Can you come to my birthday party? Can you come to my graduation? You know, people are starting to plan on graduations now, you know, for the summer. [00:07:08] Speaker A: They're becoming the personal worker for the grandkids and grandkids, so to speak. Right. [00:07:12] Speaker B: Too busy, you know, and they're not really yet living from their heart. So let's see, what would be another thing? Getting stuck, getting confused, not having a reason to get out of bed, no purpose right off time. If we're fortunate, our jobs are our purpose. And now that that has gone flying out the window, One of the people I interviewed in my podcast, she had started a foundation and. But she had also just gone through a really bad divorce. And well, the foundation come after. After this story. Her mentor had told her that, well, let's find something that you can do that is so much bigger than your pain. And he said, you know, we are working on a project to build homes for the homeless in Nepal. And would building a house in Nepal overcome your pain? No, no, that's not enough. My pain is still bigger. Well, would building 10 houses, you know, work? Well, no, I don't think so. Would building 100 houses work for you to. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:14] Speaker B: For helping somebody else? Yeah, yeah, that might do it. And as a result of it, she. She built a foundation and is now helping teach people in Africa. I think it is how to have skills to be employed and having meeting a need like building healthcare careers for people and doing travel agency kind of things to bring. Yeah. So she is helping people from her foundation or even schools and water. So her foundation is doing a lot beyond having built those houses. [00:08:54] Speaker A: So when you started effortless vitality. And so how do you handle, like prospective clients is there, or customers. I'm not sure what you refer to them as. What's the, what's the criteria to onboard them and utilize your services? [00:09:07] Speaker B: Well, mainly is, are you ready to change? Look, I've said for years, people don't change until they hurt bad enough to want to change. So if you're already aware that I need help, you're on. You're getting close. You're getting close. The criteria, how interested and dedicated and aware are you of the need that you have? I, when I went to. In fact, we had to do some exercises before we went to class, before we even started our coaching class. And there's six or eight, probably eight or 10 little questions that we do a personal assessment of. Where are you now? [00:09:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Your habits, good habits, bad habits, your things you love to do. In fact, you can start today to make a list of what are things you love to do. 20 of them. You know, a few people can list five or 10, but 20. [00:10:04] Speaker A: It gets challenging. It gets challenging. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. And then we start trying to put together our notice what things are kind of similar. And your hot buttons is another thing. I can't tell what Rashad's hot buttons are. You know, the good and the bad. [00:10:21] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. So it's funny when you bring that out of people, it's actually much more Difficult than what people think that it actually is. Right. Because when you start having it, it's easy to do one or two. But when you start actually having a list your own self. And it takes a lot of selfless ego to actually acknowledge what somebody's flaws are. So is it, is it software based? Is somebody using like your online portals, your website, so to speak? [00:10:46] Speaker B: No, I recorded, I broke it down into five modules and I recorded them and take you through. I have a handout workbook kind of thing that you work on. When I did it, the instructor said it may take you two hours. Well, it took me two weeks because I, I like to ponder things, I like to reach back in my memory and did I get anything now? [00:11:06] Speaker A: For sure. [00:11:07] Speaker B: So. But. And a big part of it is your aspirations because you know what's behind you is a lesson, but what's in front of you is something you get to choose. You're. You're reaching for the light that you want and the happiness and joy probably is out there in the future much more than what it is today. [00:11:25] Speaker A: Well, you know, the thing is about it, and I always use this analogy, right. Your front windshield is a lot bigger than the rear view mirror in your car. Right. So what's in front of you is exponentially more important than where you left. Right. And so. [00:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And yet. [00:11:38] Speaker A: No, you're fine. I was just saying. So if you keep that perspective, it's all about, you know, looking ahead. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So have you learned from what's behind you? [00:11:45] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:11:47] Speaker B: A lot of counselors are looking at, they keep looking at what's behind you and trying to fix that, but it's so much more healthier and easier and happier when you're looking at. You mean I get to live my dreams? [00:12:01] Speaker A: So. So you got, you're getting these retired. Do you get pre retirees? Like people start talking to you in advance like, hey, I'm going to be potentially retiring within the next three to five years. Let me start finding my purpose before I get to a point where it's already happened. And then I'm in that quote unquote. I don't want to say dark place, but kind of lost space, so to speak. Right. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Lost, yeah. Or stuck. Yeah. I had been. Had run a singles convention in my church in about mid-80s. And my director said to me, well, Sharon, always have something else to go to once you finish a big project. And he had already led a few of these conventions and I never did ask him how he learned this lesson. But as I was getting close to retirement. Okay. Pastor Ed said I need to have something else to go to. So I had my antennas up, you know, and what could it be kind of thing. And I had always kind of enjoyed adventure travel, and yet I knew I hadn't saved enough money for retirement to make that very much of a possibility. So having other income was kind of important to me. And so I had. I've always been a learner. That's another thing about the clients that are good for me is, are they learners? Are they curious? Are they courageous? I am shocked at how significant being curious has on our life because it does keep us moving forward. And I like to use the analogy that, you know, if you've got a three year old and they're trying to get into your kitchen cabinets to bang those kettles together. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Which has happened. Which has definitely happened. Yeah, yeah. Unquestioned. [00:13:42] Speaker B: No. Are they trying to reach up for that door handle? I want to get in that other room. And boy, they put a lot of effort in. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Oh, they'll start stacking stuff and. Right. And you'll be like, man, how did you really get up there? Because you have to kind of like. I think one of the telling points is, is that you're curious as a kid. Right. Because you don't care if you trip and fall. You don't care if you look silly or ask questions. But then it's almost frowned upon and looked down upon. The older you get, your curiosity is supposed to diminish. Right. And so that part of your brain can stay dormant and then it has a terrible. It has a terrible toll on you because you may not read as much. And sometimes because I don't think there's really an excuse for it because the way that the Internet is right now, you have so many avenues now available at your fingertips to be able to be curious and learn different things. Right. So, you know, it crosses boundaries. You know, if you're for. Or you have a library too, as well, too. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I have surprised myself a couple of times recently. A thought will cross my mind and then I'll go to I and ask the question there. And I've been shocked at how valuable a question that was, what I learned as a result of having that curious thought in my mind. So curiosity will keep you young. It will to life. It will keep you out of the doctor's office. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Are your clients. So do you get couples? Do you get widows? Do you get, you know, one's retired, the other one's still working. Like when you start, you know, doing your assessment and you have your workshops and your custom, your client slat or customers, whichever you may refer to them as. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Who. [00:15:12] Speaker A: What's the, what's the. What's the type of person you're seeing? [00:15:15] Speaker B: Well, I think the best. Having some kind of college education, it doesn't have to be finished. But have you reached out to improve yourself, to reach for something better or higher? Have you been. Lifelong learning is perfect for this. Wanting to have new experiences is a. Is very good because I, in the podcast I did, I actually looked for people who were thinking outside the box. You know, if this is retirement, are you stretching the, the boundaries a little bit? And one of my first podcaster guests was a lady from. Well, she's here from Seattle, but she had been selling real estate for 15 years and had a sense she needed to expand her heart. So she spent a year planning community service projects around the world. And she wound up feeding baby lions, working at a baboon sanctuary, teaching Chinese college students English, and then singing the Beatles song Imagine to them. And then she said, okay, now you heard me sing it, now you sing it back to me. And it was such a poignant moment. But she, she still lives here in Seattle. She's now I have as a grandma, so she's focusing on, you know, families. [00:16:37] Speaker A: That's wonderful. So I was looking at. When you have your podcast, can you go a little bit deeper into it? When does that air? How many episodes do you have and what kind of guests do you have on that podcast show? [00:16:48] Speaker B: Well, I, I have. The first podcast I did was only audio, and it was on the screen Spreaker platform, how much they put it out at under the channels from Spreaker, but that was about 2000 that I did that. And then I cooperated with some ladies here in real close by and did the audio and video. And I looked for people that. Well, another lady, she. She told her story of doing the El Camino walk. That's like 500 miles. And that's. Yeah, that's another way to find yourself, let me tell you. Yeah, that's very, very strenuous. But it's often people who, who have either gotten so stuck or so sick or this lady had, had. Didn't realize until she was like 80% done that the ointment that they had been putting on her feet at the end of every day, she was alerted to. And it had caused her feet. Yeah. The pain that she was in to do that. So it takes a very focused determination to do that. But you, you in fact, learn about Yourself and you start shedding, you know, because you're walking so far. You don't want to carry all this stuff. You don't even want to carry your emotional burdens, do you? [00:18:07] Speaker A: No, I was gonna, I apologize. Do you work with companies that. Do they reach out to you and say, hey, I have, you know, a certain group of people that are going to be retiring and they may want to find. Do you link up with employers or anything like that when. To people that are transitioning out of workforce so that they have resources when they're, you know, post leaving and you're a resource for that. [00:18:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd love to do that. I reached out to Boeing and, and said, how can I help you letting the retirees go? Because there's a little. I think I went to one event where a financial guy had come in and he mainly talked about the taxes and having tax free retirement. Using your money. You're tax free. Well, that was kind of interesting. But I have a handout here that I like to use that, that it's, it talks about. Yeah, here it is. All the things you lose besides your paycheck when you retire. [00:18:56] Speaker A: I can go. [00:18:57] Speaker B: So this is hard to see. I really. [00:18:59] Speaker A: Well, you can read off a couple of them. That's fine. [00:19:03] Speaker B: So reflecting and planning and in fact, Rashad, there's getting to be a demand, a rising up of say, people retiring say there's so much more we needed to know besides our finances because of the transitions of all these things going away. [00:19:19] Speaker A: Emotional support and. Right. And that's, and that's one of the things I was curious about. You know, you're holding that up. So I'll let you, I'll let you continue. I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead, please. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Well, I have a, Another. Well, yeah, this, this is actually colored. I have a. Yeah. [00:19:32] Speaker A: What's missing besides what's missing after. Yeah, right. [00:19:35] Speaker B: You got in your job, positive emotions like joy, gratitude, serenity and you felt vibrant in your, in your job. What makes you feel inspired on top of the world or unstoppable at work and then in retirement? How are you going to replace that? Your sense of engagement, the people that you're working with, your team, your relationships. You know, you might have your favorite person to meet in the coffee shop or have lunch with. Meaning your job provides you. Meaning reflect on how did you get that from your job and now how are you going to replace that? And accomplishment. The importance of well being. Because we have goals that we're trying to accomplish and Your contribution to the world. My last guest, this lady that had started the, the foundation, I was wanting to leave with the people the idea that in retirement you may cultivate your hobbies to the point that they become some input, some remediation. You might get money from your hobbies. They become a business. [00:20:42] Speaker A: That's what I'm become consultant, you know. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And another big one that I actually did a class on last year on retirement. You know, my mom taught me when I. I think I was about 14, when something came up. Somebody at church, I guess, needed something and they said, sharon. She said, sharon, you know, when you help somebody else, they get blessed, but you get blessed too. It feels good to volunteer. Well, that's a big avenue to work, look towards because you still get to mix with people. You're making a difference in somebody's life. You're learning something, probably. But the downside is that they sometimes forget to train you. So if they don't train you, keep walking, look for something else. There are some websites, and I don't have them at my fingertip, but I have a resource of places where you can go and get matched online with being able to work from home, even to help foundations and nonprofits, charities. In fact, the same lady from the foundation, she said an easy way to transition is to do what you did for charity. So if you're, if you're an accountant, go find somebody that needs some book. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Work done, you know, easy transitional skill. [00:21:56] Speaker B: If you're a pilot. Yeah, if you're a pilot, go find somebody that needs people or things delivered. [00:22:01] Speaker A: So I have two questions. I'm sorry, I just had two questions real quick. And I apologize if I cut you mid sentence. That's my fault. How do we keep people in retirement from not getting scammed? And you know, because there's so many people, unfortunately, take advantage of people in retirement, you know, who are, who are at a certain age and then. Are you the only person in your company? [00:22:20] Speaker B: I have just expand. I'm in the process of expanding to bring on a CEO and a CFO and a lot of several virtual assistants to expand. I intend Rashad to impact 10% of the boomers around the world to live from their spark. We need you to be engaged. We need you to your fire to be spread around the world. And I'm, I'm not that I don't have any answers about the scam stuff because the ERP puts out some things about that. Practically every time I make a charge for anything over a thousand dollars, the banks are Stopping it. And until I prove to them that it's me, I know who this person is that I'm sending money to. [00:23:05] Speaker A: And I only ask that because not. Not you specifically, but I know that as you're going to be taught you're expanding and the clientele base increases, that people of a certain age or of a certain. Who have accumulated assets in life have a tendency to have very unscrupulous people start reaching out to them and promising them things that will not come to fruition and will, you know, take all of their years of hard work and unfortunately, do very bad things with that. So, you know, just me listening to how good you are in the field of work that you're doing, I'm like, man, it would be really great. And I'm sure you've incorporated this at some point to say, these are the warning signs that you should look for, whether it's the. And it could be family members, it could be a caregiver, it could be, you know, the nurse at the medical facility. And, you know, you don't have to be a certain age to be mentally. To be physically, you know, incapacitated, but just, you know, warning signs that, you know, if you're that retiree, so to speak, or that widow, you know. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I. The best thing to do is work with people, you know. You know, people from your church or your neighborhood or your clubs that you're part of. A club is another. People that you have things in common with. Quilting or reading or. I love guys that will work with wood and make Christmas toys out of wood. My dad was a carpenter, and that just tugs at my heart. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, it's. It's. I couldn't listen. I. I can't build anything to save my life. So I always have a. [00:24:23] Speaker B: And yet your famous words. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. I mean, don't, don't. I couldn't beg. I can't decorate a cake right. So, like, I'm just calling a spade a spade. And I think that, you know, I think your services. What attracted me so much was here's somebody who's gone through it and telling you from experience that you yourself were like, I need to find my purpose. So it's. You're not some guru, you know, like, hey, at 20 years old, like, oh, yeah, you know, attend my seminar. Like, no, I know exactly what stage of life to. You're at. And this is how you can get out of this rut that you're in. [00:24:54] Speaker B: See all this free time as untapped Potential. It needs to have a focus. It needs to have. Is it going someplace like leaving a legacy? You know, my dad, because he was a carpenter, one of his legacies he wanted to do was build a grandfather clock. So he actually wound up taking a little bit of a shortcut where he ordered a kit and then put the kit together. And it's in my sister's house, you know, so. And the other day I was talking about, at 22, 23, I was crocheting a, A ripple afghan. I. I made it with wool yarn. And I'm still using that, that afghan on my bed, you know, 70 years later. Well, maybe 50 years. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:25:41] Speaker B: I am 77. [00:25:43] Speaker A: You know what? And it's wonderful, and I'm so glad that, you know, you're doing the things that you're doing. One question I want to ask, and I want to say this so respectfully, how was the transition to the new technology for you doing podcasts? I mean, were you always tech savvy? Like, you know, and I'm not saying that I'm not. I'm certainly not asking that disrespectfully, but was it like, what was your learning curve involved to be able to, like, do all the things that you're doing? [00:26:05] Speaker B: Hey, it wasn't. Was. [00:26:06] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay. [00:26:08] Speaker B: I did work in IT years ago, and I remember before we had email, I need to send a file to, you know, various locations, and I need to tell them what this file was and the date and how big it was and all that. I was working with model IBM 30, 40 and feet and oh, and the images that we use. I had a whole sheet. I'm trying to remember how that started, but yeah, I had, I had some sheet of. You know, I'm happy, I'm sad, I'm confused. And I. In fact, I worked for a company that is trying to launch that, and I knew there was something valuable about those little icons. [00:26:45] Speaker A: So even back then. Right. And here we are. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So I, in fact, last October, I got September and October, I got so frustrated because my, my computer was. I had a keyboard. I got so mad at it. I had gotten like this on my keyboard and knocked off the I, I key. I had to start copying and pasting eyes when I needed it or spell check, fix it for me. Yeah, in a couple weeks. In fact, I think part of what happened last week with us was, has something to do with technology. So there's no end to it. And yet I am starting to appreciate AI because I used it well. I wrote My, my volunteer material content and then I put it through AI and I realized I'm kind of short on words and AI kind of expanded a little bit to make it a little more, you know, comprehensive, I guess. [00:27:38] Speaker A: No doubt. Yeah, it's really detailed when you start actually, you know, want to say hey, you know, put this in a full sentence and you're like oh my goodness, this is crazy. It's, it's pretty amazing. So I always ask this of everybody. Where can people find you? You don't need, you know, obviously you're, you're self sufficient and doing really well. But for people on the show, where can they find Sharon Rolf and Effortless? [00:27:57] Speaker B: Well, I do have, I do have a website, SharonRolf.com and it is in the process of being nicely updated. So I haven't seen the beta test yet, but effortless vitality.org will also get you to that same website. And on Instagram, I'm queen of courage. Sharon Underscore Queen of courage. [00:28:18] Speaker A: I've seen you on LinkedIn. I've seen you on LinkedIn. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I'm, I'm probably mostly busy on LinkedIn but I do have a book, Fresh courage in retirement. Finding purpose, essence and fulfillment. I love, okay, here's something I love. I love color, I love to sew, and I love collect words of wisdom. So they all come together in this little art block and I, and I scatter them throughout the book even because it goes in our head differently when it's beauty instead of just words. You can even find these art blocks on Etsy under the quilted petunia. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Nice, nice, nice. You know, I got to tell you, you know, you're a beacon of light and I think that the work that you do, you know, everybody has to plan ahead and be prepared for when that moment hits. And the work that you're, that you're doing, not just did, is important for people to find that purpose because you know, at the rate that our population has more people entering into the retirement phase, you know, it doesn't mean that life's over for them. It's not. Doesn't mean life's over. [00:29:18] Speaker B: My volunteer course and six of the things like my book was out there also on the Great Discovery. The Great Discovery is a great platform to promoting all kinds of things too. And I, I put some people may have Tanita prime the pump for your dreams. Well, I made a small book called what do you want to do in retirement? And, and it includes things sort of along the lines of what makes you think what makes you cry, what makes you dream, what makes you excel. Maybe you'd like to touch the water and the seven oceans or follow a monarch butterfly migration or sing to prisoners or beautify your roundabout that's near your house. You know, there's all kinds of things you can do that is not expensive. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Yeah, goes. And those are all wonderful things. And you know, previously, at the very beginning when the museum, I was trying to remember the name in Seattle is the museum of pop culture. That's where I. Yeah, that's the place I visited. [00:30:14] Speaker B: You like that? [00:30:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a great place. Like it just has a mixture of everything. It's a beautiful. Seattle's a wonderful, beautiful city. And so I would love to have a follow up conversation about more of what you do because I think the work that you do is very important and I think the people you're impacting, you know, you always want to make sure somebody has a purpose no matter what stage in life, but particularly when they don't, they no longer have that day to day fulfillment of, like you said, being in the lunchroom or having their business card on them. And I think that's very important. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Well, you know, transitions are really challenging. Change of any kind is challenging. You know, you get a new car or get a new house or, or get married. Well, retirement is up there in the top five of the most stressful transitions that we can go through. So please get some help and realize that there's. Well, in fact my book, I wrote it in such a way that it's a do it yourself kind of. I ask you all kinds of questions that help you remember. Yeah. What was it that I felt so sure. [00:31:17] Speaker A: Beautiful work. And so I want to thank you so much for your time. Always. My door is always open. I'd love to have another follow up conversation with you on the Tron podcast. Sharon, Rolf, I want to thank you so much for your time and I hope you've had an enjoyable time on the Tron podcast with me. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Good job, Rashad. [00:31:32] Speaker A: Thank you. I appreciate you. You have a wonderful day. Okay, you too. [00:31:36] Speaker B: Blessings.