[00:00:00] Speaker A: Listeners of the Tron podcast, this is your host, Rashad Woods. Today. I have a very special guest today who I'm very honored and pleasured to get a chance to speak with. She took time out of her busy schedule. Global Force for Good works in non profits and helps women globally. Lindsay Struck.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here.
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Appreciate your time. So, you know, first of all, I think I always like the guests to tell their story and your accomplishments are very, very high level. And you're a global traveler with all your accomplishments as well too, particularly in the nonprofit sector. So please, for our audience, tell us about yourself.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: Well, you know, I think what is the most surprising about my career trajectory is that I've landed in a place that I think is a beautiful blend of hobby and what I love to do outside of work and creating change through my work with women in our supply chains that work in handcraft.
[00:00:56] Speaker A: Yeah, and I saw that. And so, you know, take us from the very beginning. You obviously graduated with a master's degree and you've obviously was, I believe it was in international relations, if I'm not mistaken, international development, excuse me, and Duquesne University. So can you explain, like, how your path led to that? Did you travel somewhere as a kid? Did you do, you know, fundraising and even church charity or something like that to really spawn this kind of growth in your career?
[00:01:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, you know, I've always, I'm from a very small town in very rural Pennsylvania.
You know, I think that in many ways has shaped my, you know, it was quiet, it was peaceful, it was, it was small. And so I went to school and I was in a city. It was Pittsburgh, which is not a huge city, but it was a city. And the excitement about that and the combination of that and the university I went to, Duquesne University is very service minded. And so I had this opportunity to kind of bring together excitement and city. And that really lit me up. But then I was also really dropped into a very service oriented program and university.
And so between the two of those, I sort of started to forge a path. I have sort of the undergrad was focused on communications and marketing, but then my graduate degree is in international development. Trying to understand how we can use what systems exist and use our talents and use our, our energies to create change. And that can be really small or really macro. And so that's sort of where I started. My first job out of grad school is in Moscow, Russia.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: I saw that, like, that's not usually like, you know, I did an internship at Sears Corporate when I was in college. Right. So, you know, that's not exactly like, that's not even on my radar right now. So how, how was that? I saw you were there for one year. What was that like?
[00:02:50] Speaker B: I was, you know, it was, it was in graduate school and the option on the table was take. We had to do some sort of externship. And I said, you know, there was one in Nicaragua and there was one in Moscow, and Moscow paid. And so I said, so I mean, you know, we're still motivated no matter how much good we want to do. For sure there's still a little bit, you know, we still had to pay the bills.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: You're a human being. Like, there's has to be some sort of. Right. Like, you know, there's no shame in asking to be able to buy a meal for yourself.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Exactly. But, you know, what was the. What was really interesting and I look back on it in fondness now and it was really hard then, but, you know, we. It was definitely paid, but not very much.
And I. One of the ways that I'm going to say it forged some, some sort of character development in me. But I didn't have a place to live when I was in Moscow. So what I would do, I had a wonderful network of colleagues and folks who are in, in and around the community that I was working in. I was working for a nonprofit there. I just apartment sat for everyone here.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: And I just. Whenever someone would leave to go on a travel or home, you figured it out from. I would just apart and sit, you know.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: You know, I, I say this and I obviously don't want to dive too deep into politics, but I, you know, people have so often, like, you would hear ballet, people in ballet would go to Russia. John Bernthal, the actor, was. Took acting in Russia. So, you know, it's, it's. It's crazy that, you know, the way things are obviously now when it comes to, you know, how it is, versus that even when I was in college, like they had international retail and people would go do their externships in Russia as well too. So for people with, you know, who are younger, that was a normal thing to do, that people were able to do those things and go there.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: You know, it was. There was such a vibrant and an active community of expats and, you know, in both us, but also European. I, you know, I'm sure that changed, but it really wasn't something that was so, so unique when that happened. But it really kind of Set my trajectory on my career trajectory on a path looking at how we can use private sector corporation to advance social missions. And that's sort of, that's Nest and that's sort of where I am right now. There was a bit of a detour between then and now, of course, but I think the, what connects those two sort of starting career moment with where I am now is understanding how we can unlock systems and corporation and private sector and things that maybe are broken on their sort of face sometimes for good. And how that works within our particularly craft and handmade and fashion supply chains, of course.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: So obviously, you know, one of the big things that's a big focus is obviously making sure that the conditions that people are doing handcraft bags for major big box retailers and brands that they are actually not. You know, we've all heard the sweatshop stories and things like that. So, you know, and there's a lot more enlightenment about that issue. I remember even hearing about it when I was, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old. Has it gotten better from where it, where the stories and images have to now? Is there more accountability?
[00:06:00] Speaker B: There is more accountability. And I think, you know, we have power as consumers, as individuals to shape how corporations are responding to our purchasing power. And so I think there is something in that to say, you know, there, there's something that each of us can actually do with the decisions we make about what we buy.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: That does have an impact on the priorities and the accountability of companies. It's not an overnight shift, but there is, there is definitely power in that decision.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: And so, you know, there, there certainly is improvement. And I think what has been really interesting about the, the work that NEST does is that think about your, your sweatshop. Think about the four walled institution factories. A lot of them do have compliance measures, but they're four walls. Production happens inside that. Wonderful. And today we can take a checklist and we can say, is there child labor here? No, I don't see any children on the floor.
How safe is everyone? Yes, I see a fire extinguisher over here. When production's happening informally in communities, in people's homes, and the accountability and the visibility and transparency into that for sure didn't exist before Nest. And so I think that's been a really special, special part of history to be, to be part of.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Well, you know, what's interesting too is obviously when we talk about globally how things have been shaped when it comes to supply chain and compliance and safety. You know, in the United States of America, the Only reason we actually instituted those basic safety measures is in New York City they had that great fire in the garment factory when oh, it's a good idea to lock the exit doors. There's no stairs, there's no fire extinguishers. And oh by the way, when you're running hot equipment with a lot of flammable items, you know, hundreds of women, immigrant women died and that's when everybody was like, oh my God. You know, we have a. We it. People couldn't even see what was going to take place long term about that. And that's when everything got changed.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: And it's so, it's so disappointing that tragedy has to be sort of the spur for that. I mean you see that with Rana Plaza and some of the changes in global safety measures too.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: And it's Bangladesh, right? That was Bangladesh, right?
[00:08:11] Speaker B: Or was that Sri Lanka In Bangladesh?
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Okay, okay.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: You know, it's.
You don't want to, to wait for the tragedy to happen. You want to be proactive. But the what happens after if that's sort of the, the optimism is, is understanding now what do we do to fix this, prevent it from happening again?
[00:08:32] Speaker A: Absolutely. And so, you know, does it get more complicated now that obviously which you spoke on earlier where now you have the etsies of the world where people can sell things more independently and now you're like, okay, I have to go to more of these nooks and crannies of people who knew nothing but being sort of quote unquote abused or had no idea of basic level to your point where okay, I'm here to actually help you. Is there a gap that also. So it's kind of two questions. Number one, how hard is it to get those places that are smaller, intricate communities build trust, language and culture barrier at the same time.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: Beautiful question. I think it's really difficult and I think one of the beauties of it is that handcraft and, and the creation of sort of the skills and techniques they exist in every culture, in every community, in every country in the world. There's beautiful embroidery techniques in one area of the, of the world and hand woven silks and.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: And so you do have that. The prevalence is I guess is what I'm saying of handcraft is everywhere and so it's not hard to find but sort of the individuals ensuring that there is visibility through a supply chain. That's the tricky part often because there's many layers of what we call subcontracting where you know, payment and work, work request is moving hands before it gets from that main vendor down to the final, you know, the artisan, the individual who, the handcraft. And so the more that we can shorten that supply chain or the more that we can at least bring visibility and transparency to that supply chain, it becomes easier.
But then to the point that you were making about the cultural barriers and language barriers, it is so important, and this is sort of from the international development background and sort of global development, it's so important that we partner locally right across in different communities. The trust and the bridging of that is, is something we can help facilitate as a non profit, but we cannot always do because that, that is a foreign culture and foreign space for us. But figuring out how to partner. Right. Is really hard.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, and this isn't, obviously, this is coming from just my perspective as a reader and a listener. Obviously some countries may want financial compensation, local government. I mean, I'm just calling it, I've just, I've read about that. Right. So, you know, that can be the case. You know, unfortunately, people can start wanting to put their hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, when they want to know what's for them, particularly in places that may not have a democracy, so to speak, where they can, you know, have layers. And it's like, oh no, you just got to deal with this person or this body and you know, you have to grease the wheel, so to speak. And I'm sorry that that takes place and I don't mean to make you feel uncomfortable, but I'm sure unfortunately within your organization there's some things that take place that are not so pretty. It does.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: And I think one of the, the maybe it's an optimistic view of Handcraft is that with an organizations like nest, and I am obviously partial, but with organizations like NEST and bringing that ability into what's happening, it actually does create space for safe working women who may have had to leave their families, get on buses, commute into an urban area, stay in dorms to do the garment work that they were doing, and then come back on the weekends or the. What can happen between those two places. Yeah, it can be unsavory, it can be unsafe. Of course, being able to contribute to conditions that help create a safer, better alternative to be at home to family, to be in community and still earn a dignified and absolutely good wage is pretty, pretty optimistic.
[00:12:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
You know, and I didn't mean to cut you off, but I find, you know, your, your work, you know, when people think of handcrafting, I always Think of like Silk Road. Right. So the reason why global trade first took place was because of garments and clothing and material, because people couldn't get things in their travels. And if they realized, hey, let's, you know, it started setting currency and it started setting up, you know, marketplaces to whether it was fur, whether it was, you know, places in India and Pakistan.
And it's just fascinating how, you know, centuries of that is ultimately what you're a part of as well too.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: That's a beautiful way to think about it.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: And hopefully then, you know, there, there is an awakening over time and we've been around for 20 years and hopefully another 20, but over time and awakening to a different way of doing this. And maybe that's sort of our history. But what is the future? Can we, can we more directly engage with. And you're seeing this across industries, but more engage with and see. See the end producer. I don't know if you came across this statistic, but handcraft as an industry, as an economy is the second largest employer of women globally after agriculture.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Really? I did not know that.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: Think about like, where are women working globally in our entire world?
Agriculture, craft.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: And so the, the potential to unlock a lot of economic opportunity for sure. It's pretty huge.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, and you know, it does now that it makes sense to me because, you know, sometimes we get zip coded, so to speak. Right. Like, I think that just because I drive in the same neighborhood past the same stop signs, you forget that there's an entire, you know, place that's your, it's your, your, your area is not your world. You know, it's not the world, so to speak. Right. So, you know, it didn't even dawn on me. And then you have, you know, different climates and places all of the area where in a lot of places, I don't want to say underdeveloped, but. But are just not as robust. And downtown, big market too. Right. So there certainly can be where they have to sustain their own communities and feed and clothe their own areas respectively.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: And you know, there are such amazing artisan and craft, we'll call them vendors, but businesses that are in every corner of the world that are doing what they do with a very strong social mission. So it's interesting to be sort of as a nonprofit and as nest. We're sort of a convener of these amazing social entrepreneurs who are doing what they do through craft to create change. They're figuring out how to community where they are. You're right. That sort of Local market doesn't, doesn't change for people in that market that quickly. And so figuring out what those social lenses are on, why work is happening somewhere, we're able to support that. We can help an artisan vendor in, you know, India invest in a particular community that needs economic revitalization.
There's, you know, women who are coming out of industries or situations that are really traumatic. A lot of businesses are. That's why they exist.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Correct?
[00:15:28] Speaker B: That sort of exit.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. You know, so how is it when you start Portugal partnering with these larger corporations that want to, you know, number one, obviously, you know, sell their goods and be partnered because, you know, maybe they can get the newest fashion line that is handcraft woven because that's a big booming market where people may want to say, I don't want to just buy what's at this particular retailer. I can get something that's handcrafted. That's become more of an explosion with online. So how is the partnerships worked with your larger partners getting involved with this?
[00:15:58] Speaker B: It's, it's often complex but also, you know, worth it. But it sometimes can take years to go from an early conversation through to product on shelf.
And there are different ways that we typically can partner with corporations. Sometimes it's direct sourcing. We are corporation A, we would love hand woven baskets for our storage department. And so we work to identify in the right countries with the right size and dimensions, the things that they're trying to source. And so we can facilitate that relationship. We can support on compliance or standards that relate to informal work.
Are those being paid fairly, are their wages right? We also can facilitate design collaborations which is really fun and interesting. So a design brand might come and say, we're running a, you know, capsule collection and we really want to feature silks in the collection and so we can help facilitate connections between the two.
And during that we're sort of the, you know, in the, we're not in the middle but we sort of matchmake and ensure that there's sort of advocacy for what's best and what's in the best interest of the artists and businesses.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: Well too. And I'm just thinking of it like at the end of the day, let's say if you're a large, big box retailer or you're somebody who needs that sector, you may not have the deployed resources and time to actually be able to say, okay, I'm going to send my team over here with no connections, no sort of structure in place to be able to talk to this small community. You Know that has a language and cultural barrier. I'd rather partner with Nest and be able to facilitate that and be, I don't want to say the very good business partner to be able to facilitate a positive outcome.
You know.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: Yes, that's a great way of saying it is. We're trying to facilitate that positive outcome. And it often is that, you know, we are an expert in this. We do, you know, the compliance, the ethical process, the different types of craft techniques and things that need to happen. Dying.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: Oh goodness.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: You know, hand machines that are shaping metal for earrings and bag. You know, sort of the handles on bags and things like that. I mean, there is an expertise that we bring that is often outsourced and even sometimes with vendors that are already working with.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: Of course, of course.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: But they'll just say, you know what, this is a vendor we really want to continue to invest in. And so Nest, can you please come in and make sure as we continue and expand that investment that everything looks great and that the women and the artisans who are working in that. That business are cared for. Safe.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah, because, you know, and I would. And I say this very, very respectfully, there, There is also unfortunately, like piracy and company in people who. I just watched the documentary on. On the Somali pirates right when they were. And you see like these people have to have valuable things that are not. That are cavity to go through dangerous waters and dangerous places. And now there could be a case where less than stellar people, because businesses and partners are. What could be a lower poor community suddenly has robust business involved. It could sometimes bring bad actors into the situation. Is there. How does, how does. I don't want to. I don't want to ask anything uncomfortable. Is that something that you guys have to navigate as best you can? Answer that.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: You know, I might answer it in a. In an interesting way because we don't usually encounter that it sort of lives with the within sort of the brand or retailers sort of jurisdiction. But what we do run into is often ip.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That really makes. Oh my gosh. Counterfeit. Oh my goodness. Oh my gosh.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: You know, you've got these beautiful indigenous designs with indigenous communities all over the world. In Peru, in Thailand, intentionally or not.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Intentionally and duplicated and stolen.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: You have. You have designers going and discovering and being inspired. And that line between, you know, being inspired and intellectual theft. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty fine. And so we do often encounter that sort of piracy. How are we informing and supporting businesses when it comes to cultural IP and cultural Design ip.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: You know, it's funny too. Like, it's almost like the telephone wars, right? Like, you know, Alexander Graham Bell. I forgot the gentleman he was having the patent war with.
If you look it up, it's crazy, right? Like, and, you know, forgive me for not knowing it on the spot, but there was a big deal about who invented the telephone first, when actually, long story short, obviously Alexander Graham Bell won that war. But if you look up for people who are listening, when it comes to who's the. The tradition or the first person that gets credit, it's money involved. It's really, really lucrative. And so, you know, does the woman in the small indigenous community get the credit for it? Or is it the designer who, you know, got a sample, made a couple tweaks, patented it, and then unfortunately, you know, the rest is unfortunate history.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: That's so true. And I think that is one of the ways that we do work with brands, and particularly at the moment, because there is such, such upheaval with corporations and tariffs and bottom lines and all of this. One of the ways to kind of avoid direct product is also to license. And so in that world as well, yeah. Brands and artists and businesses who can design bringing those together. And to your point, does the artisan get paid? Are they getting credit? What does that credit look like? How are we involving those individual designers in the process of transforming their ip, their design, into something that the brand would like to use and thinks is marketable?
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Because it'd be bad if somebody got a flat fee because that's the most money they've ever seen in their entire life. And then next, you know, you know, two years later, the biggest pop star in the world is wearing this outfit, selling it through the big box retailer. And somebody 7,000 miles away got burned. Got. Because maybe they did time. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's crazy. No, it's. It's unfortunate because I just started thinking about that. I'm like, how, how often does that really happen?
[00:21:56] Speaker B: You know, happens in the US it happens with a lot of the indigenous communities around the world that we work with. And I think we are. You know, the, the, the optimistic side of that is that I think there is increasing pressure on brands to disclose that information, give credit, make sure that that is very clear. I mean, we're seeing that with other.
Read, read the news. And there are some stories that are coming out around brands that didn't do that well or didn't do it right. And sometimes the criticism is well placed. Sometimes it's It's a little bit maybe misguided, but I think the point is people are asking to make sure that we're giving credit as conscious consumers. And, and that's a really encouraging.
[00:22:37] Speaker A: Oh for sure.
Motivation, you know, and it gets murky because, you know, it's like music. There's only so many notes that can be played in music. So it's, you know, it gets very murky where there's only so many, I don't say so many designs because I can't, I can't scribble inside the lines. Okay? So I'm not coming from a place anybody's great anything except talking on this show. But you know, it gets murky because people will sit back and say, well, you can't copyright stitching. You can't copyright a pattern. Right. Or patent it or whatever the terminology is appropriate. So it does get very legalese when it comes to what exactly can be actually held credit for a respective person.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: It's, you know, it's such an interesting field. One of the things that NEST does for the vendors, for the businesses, the artisans and the craft folks is support them through educational materials. And we have a huge series on cultural and design IP and what that means. When is it inspiration? When are you taking it too far? Is there community when no one owns it, but it represents a community? How do you take that line or that iconography and use that in a respectful way? So you're spot on with that. It's what's that line? And when am I on the right side or the wrong side of it? It's really tricky, but we try and bring experts in to fill in those gaps where we don't know best as organization. But I think that's part of the power of Nest in some ways a lot about compliance and supply chain. But we also know that there's so much more to that. And so who can we bring in to really support and be, you know, cross industry, cross sector partners and in supporting this, this handcraft economy?
[00:24:12] Speaker A: So how many, how many employees are with the company? If I could ask. Real.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: We have 34.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Wonderful, wonderful. And so that's. And that. Yeah, I just didn't know, you know, on your global reach, if you had a global. If there were, you know, I know there's partners and third parties and things of that nature, but directly with you. 34.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: Okay, 34 directly employed. And that is. We have staff all over the world. We did have an office in New York for years and post Pandemic closed our office and so we're all remote, so we've kind of got a good spread across time zones. And of course, use local partners who are a lot of the on the ground work, but three to four strong.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: That's. That's absolutely fantastic. I really, like, legitimately, like, I've had wonderful guests, but, like, being able to be like a kind of. You're like a history channel meets, like, the ultimate supply chain. And it's like, man, like, I watch documentaries because every time I hear you talk, I keep thinking of, you know, people from 7, 800 years ago who were literally just setting up ports and shops, selling goods and. And materials and being merchants. And that was the beginning of facilitation of larger transactions that took place. And, you know, picture yourself as somebody from a particular country and you see all these goods that this country has, and, you know, we can get into the. The good, the bad, and the ugly that took place. But just the visual of, like, oh, my gosh, you guys make this. Like, oh, my gosh, you all make this. And then you go back to your country and you say, they have all this here. There's something that has to take place to get something involved with us in this. And yes, it was ugly. We all know things didn't go. We know the dark side to it, but eventually, like, seeing how the world evolved and how you can have these clothes from these other places and have these merchant ports and you can have these. I mean, it just blows your mind.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: It really was the first and original. True luxury is some of the, like, beautiful color and fabrics that were created.
Just. It's so inspiring to be part of a company and to see the creativity and the humanity in an age where we have so much technology and to touch and to feel and to see and to know that someone created something so beautiful.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: Right?
[00:26:24] Speaker B: It's really inspiring every day.
[00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, a lot of major clothing makers started because they were giving. They had to clothe, they had to close. Soldiers for war, right? So that's how the beginning of it started. I believe it's Louis Vuitton, right? He gave like it was. You know, I. I don't want to muddle the story, but it was like, you know, when people would travel and they needed bags to carry for either royalty or soldiers and things like this, you start making handbags and then this, the greatest luxury brand in the world started in that manner, right? When, you know, soldiers uniforms and giving princes and dignitaries clothing, that's where the beginning of a lot of this stuff took place. Place. And it's it's wonderfully fascinating when you get down that wormhole.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: It sure is.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it really is. And so my, my question to you is, is that where can people find Lindsay Struck? Where can people find Nest? And my. I have another question is how are the rights of women globally based on what you've experienced versus being back home because you've had such a large global.
[00:27:19] Speaker B: Impact on the 1st. You can find
[email protected] There are a few companies out there called Nest, but we
[email protected] don't be confused there. But that's where find us. There's opportunities to join the team all the time as well as volunteer. So many, so many of the folks who partner with Nest, we call them fellows, but they're, they're professionals like you and me and others who just know a lot about their, their industry, about their job and can help artists and businesses. If you are, you know, chief marketing officer or you are, you know, a creative and understanding, you're. You've got sort of that product development background. Artisan businesses and the leaders that we support are looking for that mentorship and looking for that, that investment in counsel. And so we bring those folks together. So that's, that's another way. So email us and we can sort of help you use your professional skills and volunteer in that way.
And then as far as sort of the, the global outlook on sort of empowerment and ways in which Nest at least is supporting the economic inclusion of women globally, I think the more that we as consumers, as people, as individuals who have money to spend, the more that we can invest that money in products that are beautiful and that are made by individuals that are paid fairly safe, the, the better will be. And one of the other ways you can find Nest is on the hang tag on items that you buy. So we have a seal. Oh, wow.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: For certification. So you can know that the basket you bought has, has been vetted, that we have physically gone to the place of production, watched, looked, you know, reviewed the records and can say that, that this woman made this basket and she was paid fairly. And I watched it happen. And so you feel good about.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. That's a wonderful feeling. It really, truly is. You know, and the Internet, you know, obviously we all know, you know, what can. There's the great side of it, right, where it's brought attention to these things and it's held people accountable and it's made, made a force of change, of good. And that's what the good part of the Internet has accomplished. And I got to be honest, like I said, I don't get blown away a lot. You know, I've had a chance to talk to wonderful people on this show, but like, there was something about this one in particular because I was like, man, she's got this global footprint. And it's like, I'm not sure where this conversation is going to go, but it literally felt like I was watching a little bit like the History Channel or a Discovery Channel in a way because it just took my mind to, like, all these things that I. I Google all the time and just watch.
[00:30:05] Speaker B: So you were too kind. It was a wonderful conversation. You are just an outstanding host. I loved. I love this conversation. Thank you for letting us be part of it.
[00:30:14] Speaker A: Of course. And like I said, I look forward to future conversations because, you know, it half an hour doesn't do justice to the work you do. So thank you.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:30:22] Speaker A: It's been a pleasure.
