Michaell Magtrutsche

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Welcome back to the Tron podcast, everyone. This is your host, Rashad Woods. Today I have very special guest out on the west coast in Los Angeles, Mr. Michael McGrouch. How you doing, sir? [00:00:27] Speaker A: Awesome, Rashad. Finally we got together, right? [00:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It took a while. [00:00:31] Speaker A: We do it, we do it. Doesn't matter. We do it. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:00:35] Speaker A: We just do it. [00:00:36] Speaker B: You just have. Exactly. That's a great slogan and I love the energy. I'm feeling it. So just briefly, you have a very interesting background in creative arts. You talk a lot about people's mental state. You're also a business consultant and a creativity awareness educator. Yes. So let's dive right into that. [00:00:54] Speaker A: So, yeah, I was born in Vienna, in Austria, in Europe. And I was a sick child, really sick. And when I went to school, you know, I kind of caught myself up and got to school, but I went to school at 7. I couldn't understand anything. I couldn't regurgitate anything. I understood it, but I couldn't regurgitate. And then you had dyslexic. Fifty years ago, they said you're dyslexic, but you have to do everything we do. It's like, you know, whatever we want. It doesn't matter what your state is, you have to do it. And I had six years of school, you know, and, and art was my, actually my saved my life art, literally. Because. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Beautiful. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Because I learned myself by creating. It's like, you know, right. When you do a podcast, they can say it's the worst podcast ever. It's the best podcast ever. And nobody can say they did it, you did it. That's why I'm saying we're not talking we did it. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Well, the thing is about it, right, is like I would rather be talked about than not talked about at all when it comes to creating something. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Right, exactly. [00:01:51] Speaker B: You know, it takes a lot to put yourself out there. I mean, you do art, you, you know, I saw in the, in the 80s you were in producing and TV production. You have a wide variety of skills. So that seven year old, six year old boy that's in Austria, how did you end up in California? [00:02:07] Speaker A: I was, I was always, I told you, I was always in art. And literally when it was 17, I had no schooling and, you know, school, I couldn't finish school. And so I got, you know, I was DJ and, and I was good in DJing because I mixed Sinatra with classical music with hip hop. And at that time, yeah, everybody like, what the is that? You know, and, and, and but they liked it. And so I, I, I made tape, sold tapes out of my trunk. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Nice. [00:02:42] Speaker A: You know? And then I got, I got, I got like, I got like, whoa, this guy. This guy's weird, you know? And so I started creating music for fashion shows, then. Fashion shows. Cause I couldn't do anything else. It's not like, oh, he's very good, and whatever. And now he is allowed to do fashion. I couldn't do anything else. So the art. And then I went into the first. You know, when we changed from film to video. That's how old I am. So, So I, I was, I was, I was one of the first Betamax and, And video production for television. [00:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:18] Speaker A: So I was involved in that. And so I always thought in school, I want to see America, draw me to America. It wasn't like, oh, they're so great. I create so much money or anything. I just, it threw me. And I, I was 18. And we went from east coast to west coast. And I really hated la. I hated the, the west coast because east coast was more natural. It was more, More European. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Right? [00:03:43] Speaker A: And then, and then I got a job offer. And then I said, after eight years, I don't know what to do. I haven't seen that. I wanted to be here, but I didn't see the land. I didn't live with the people. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:03:54] Speaker A: And so I got to apply for a job. And that you. Then you could apply for a job. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Not now. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right, For a job. And I got a job offer in Boston. And where else? Somewhere on the East Coast. And then I got, literally. And I got one in la. And I thought, I hate Leia, but, But for whatever, I chose la. I don't know why. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:17] Speaker A: And so that's, that's how I came here. And then I started hiring a magician. [00:04:23] Speaker B: Really? [00:04:23] Speaker A: Well, yeah, for a European show. Because I had. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Nice. It's nice. [00:04:28] Speaker A: And I hired. I said, hey, it's like, I see you. I said, rashad, hey, I see you doing magician magic. I have a show. They would, it would be great, and they would pay for it. So I got that. And then I got more and more into television, and then I got offered. Somebody came up to me, and that's why I say, you can't. There's no success. There's no. Don't copy me. I'm nobody. I don't know anything. I just. Me, you know, whatever. Me. I don't know anything. I'm no expert. I'm not. There is no expert. You get chosen and somebody Tapped in the shoulder and said, mcgrouch. Yeah, yeah. I said, I was at the fair selling documentaries and it says here under my. My tag, right? And he says, yeah, give me a card. He says, here's the card from Mr. Evans. Would like to see you next time. I think I said, how the hell does he know that I'm between Europe? And I met him in Europe. And I said, yeah. And I said, oh, my good goodness. And, and, and I didn't know who Robert Evans was, you know, that he did the Godfather, that they did Love Story, Rosemary's Baby. He was the longest president of Fairmont. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:31] Speaker A: And I went to my American friends because then I was still more in Europe than here. So I said, what's going on there? And he said, this must be a joke, but I know who. They explained to me who Robert Ivan was, but it was a joke. And I said, so when I came here, I thought it was a joke. And I didn't even. My last card, you know, when you do follow up on the sales, my last card was Robert Evans. I'm just calling it. And I says, robert Evans residence. You know, he had a butler. [00:05:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And. [00:05:58] Speaker A: And he says, it's Michael McGrouch. Somebody came to me and gave me the card. Oh, my gosh. Hold on. And then I talked to him and became really good friends and we co produced about the Pope, A documentary about the Pope. [00:06:08] Speaker B: Oh, that's fantastic. That's awesome. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So. So. And then it goes on. I always. Art safe me. It's always safe. Saved my life because nobody could hire me. [00:06:18] Speaker B: Well, you know, and I saw like, you know, I'm looking at you do neurodiversity. So I'm kind of checking the boxes when I'm going down the list here. And it, you know, I say this very respectively. You have an eclectic personality, right. So it's magnetic. You move, you're very visual. I mean, I saw on your website, it said that you challenged to do 300 paintings in one day, right? [00:06:37] Speaker A: No, three days. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Three days. [00:06:39] Speaker A: I made 300 paintings. I. I did. I challenged myself. I said, hey, I want to see if it's because I wanted to learn about. Because I couldn't ever portray paint. I could never portray paint because of neurodiversity. I have this graph here, which means my hand. Eye coordination is off too. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:06:56] Speaker A: I can't really copy anything. And art at that time was, you can make a perfect portrait of the dog. You're a better artist. You can make a picture you know. [00:07:05] Speaker B: So, so what is neurodiversity for those of us that are not as familiar? [00:07:09] Speaker A: It's something with the wiring in the brain. Meaning dyslexia is one thing which, you know, you say 91 and it's really 90. You see, it's 19, but you say it's 91. Okay, you say me and you say my, you know, you, you twist and, and, and speak it differently. And then, and then hand eye coordination and there's a calculus with. You can't do the figures and numbers. Numbers screw you up. So for me, tax season, I use my Social Security all the time. And I said tax, it shouldn't have any problem. The worst problems I have with my Social Security number that I righted wrong is during tax season because I said so. It doesn't help you if you do it more right. You know what? What I'm saying is, is that's what. What they don't understand, they say it just takes longer. You have to hit it over your head, you know? No, it doesn't. So, so that, that got me into also, you know, they got me also into the arts. Got me. Because most artists are neurodiverse. So people with the mental wiring problem, right. Are, Are in jail, are homeless and are artists. Those are the. I mean, nobody says that. Nobody wants to. Oh, no. The most. Because they can't do the system stuff. They can't put, you know, the logic, the binary, this, this first and that. They can't handle it. That's why you have so many. So many. The most neurodiverse are in either Elon Musk. Because he's neurodiverse. Yeah, Elon Musk. And that's why I say human centricity is so important. So Elon Musk. Then you have homeless. Then you have artist, homeless, jail. [00:08:50] Speaker B: It just depends on. Yeah, their mind is just in a different realm of like what people would say is structured and normal, so to speak. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah, right. They can't structure and they react very human centered, like emotionally, because that's the only thing they can read. They can read emotionally. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Now, is that something that gets diagnosed or like, like how do you actually. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah, they diagnose it. But it's so. I mean, I was diagnosed 24 in February 24th. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. [00:09:15] Speaker A: See, I can't even see. This is my neurodiversity. I can't use. I can't remember that other term. [00:09:20] Speaker B: It's hard to kind of comprehend how people's minds work. So when you've got art Is it just. You just go on the go? Like, is it just like one after the other because you've done multiple different things artistically wise? [00:09:31] Speaker A: Like, so I've painted 3,000 paintings. [00:09:34] Speaker B: That's insane. [00:09:35] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, it's not insane. [00:09:37] Speaker B: No, I mean, it's great. [00:09:41] Speaker A: What does the system say? Pablo Picasso was an artist. Right? [00:09:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:44] Speaker A: 35,000. 35,000. What is my 3,000 in 35,000. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Okay, that is true. [00:09:50] Speaker A: So that's very true. But see, media doesn't give you context, right? Because if you're out of context, everybody's crazy, right? But in context, everybody is valuable. That's why we are 8 billion, one of one human. We're not a black person or a white person or an Asian person or a woman or a man. We are one of one humans, eight billion. And our perspective. And we see life. There's one life, and we see all 8 billion different things. So there is no authority or I think, in the human centricity when we talk about you and I as humans in our species, but there is. There is only expert. And all these generalizations of race, agenda, class, all that stuff is systemic. And the system, you can. You can play that well. [00:10:34] Speaker B: I think one of the best things about, like a podcast like this is I've got a chance to talk to so many different interesting people such as yourself, Right? Because when you, you know, curiosity is one of those things that I think bridges the gap when it comes to all the things that you discussed. Right? So if you are an artist, if you are a scientist, if you are a business owner, if you bake cakes for a living, there's a story behind that. And there's creativity that took. And understanding somebody's, you know, mental state from that, I think is very important because ultimately they've made something that came from nothing and they made something out of it. And that's the beauty of. [00:11:09] Speaker A: They're creative species. That's what we are, a collaborative creator species. Look what we built. Only the people on top are in charge. But look what we made us. This out of this world. But we say no. We say, we are competitive creator. No, we are collaborative creator species of nature. We are part of nature. So we dance with nature. You fill in the gaps and whatever. And we don't exploit the nature because then exploit ourselves. We don't want to bring a structure into what we are. We are collaborative and everybody can contribute. Everybody. There's no lazy. There's no lazy people. [00:11:50] Speaker B: So how do you. You're a business consultant as well too. So let's. What is. What specifically do you consult businesses on? [00:11:57] Speaker A: So I consulted politicians. I consult businesses. I work with the University of Alberta right now. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:12:06] Speaker A: With Mark McCormick, who does a new world spirit, which is a thing of human centricity. How to systematize human centricity and make life system from. And then. Yeah, yeah. [00:12:20] Speaker B: How did you get hooked up with the university? Do you just like, send an email? [00:12:24] Speaker A: No, person. [00:12:25] Speaker B: It's. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Everything is person. Nothing. If you think anything you think is systemic. Nothing. He called me. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:12:32] Speaker A: I started conversing with him. And then we have. Literally for the last year, we have that. We work on that. How to make the outdated systems that. Where we all suffer from. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Into an updated system that is aligned with our conscious mind and our experience. Because in the old days, you know, they were saying, oh, this is a gay person. But we know a gay person isn't different from anybody. Just. [00:12:56] Speaker B: It's kind of similar to the things that you talked about earlier when it came to your condition. And it's not. I don't even call it a condition because that's kind of disrespectful. It's not even what you have. So, like the way society has treated certain things. [00:13:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:09] Speaker B: Versus what the understanding is now. I mean. Yeah, you know, just to. Just to deviate slightly. It's almost like when they used to. When they did makeup, right. It used to be they put arsenic on people's faces and you would see these horrible, like, oh, my God, you put arsenic. The only way they learned, unfortunately, that what didn't work and what did work was human tragedy. Right. And so whether people had physical ailments, mental things that needed mother for further understanding or teaching or outlets, people unfortunately had to do things the wrong way until people realized that there was better methods to handle particular characteristics. [00:13:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You know, the fortune, if the people. If we had fortune and we copied the fortune and said, hey, he used the olive oil for his skin and it worked. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Right. So, you know, and also too, sometimes it's. It's sad to say this, that those conditions don't get the attention until somebody prominent has it or their child or a relative has it. And then it starts to become more socially acceptable to do better by these particular people with these particular things going on. So what I thought was fascinating is you're also an author as well, too. [00:14:18] Speaker A: So I did. [00:14:19] Speaker B: And you had. Now, how many books have you written? [00:14:21] Speaker A: Eight and eight books and five books I have published. [00:14:24] Speaker B: How many? How often? What. What's the process of writing a book. [00:14:28] Speaker A: For me, in my, you know, for me it's not the same for you. That's why I say I don't know nothing. Don't. No. I say you make your own opinion of what from my experience. [00:14:37] Speaker B: What works for you? Yeah, what works. [00:14:38] Speaker A: What works for me was I made notes when I was an artist. I always make notes. And all art related the five books. So the one is a script and the other one how to place art. And the other one is 300 paintings in three days. And the smart of art, the newest one is that to get clarity. What the power in art is. It's not the product, it's the process. So what I do with writing is I always make notes because my neurodiversity, I'm not excusing that. But everything everybody has that forgets things. So I make a note. I will constantly have a voice, voice note. And then I write it all together. And then there's something in you. So for example, right now I'm finishing up education, human centric education. What it means to be human first before you get a job. If you don't know what it means to be human first, you're gonna fail in your job and you're never going to be good in your jobs. You can just manipulate for short term, but you're never going to be. You should have the job that you should. That is you, not is me. My job is not your job. And that's why you are one on one. You know that Nature made you nature, universe, God made you 101 and that's. You should get your job. But you are the best because you every human is the best in one thing. We just. I write them down and then I find out and put them. [00:15:55] Speaker B: So it's all about the individual, right? You're. You're big on making sure that people are an individual. And I think, and this is me just on my own personal opinion, because you had such a unique path of how you learned and understood things, you understood that people were best treated as individuals rather than as a collective whole. Is that correct? [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yep. I don't see you as a man. I don't see you as a different race. I don't see it. I see you as a human first. The other thing I'm aware of, but doesn't. It doesn't matter anything because you could be an asshole and I would, you know. No, no, because that doesn't mean, you know when you generalize humans, then you segregate them because you say The Ukrainians, the Russians, the Americans, the Chinese, this, you know, you segregate them. Stop it. If you cheat the system, you know, like all the stuff that now comes out, it's not all the Democrats. It's not all the Republicans. This is segregating us. Stop blaming, guilting, and shaming people. If you cheat the system, then it's you that cheated the system. It's not because you're a Democrat. The Democrats are. All the Democrats are. [00:16:57] Speaker B: Well, the. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Well, whatever. [00:16:58] Speaker B: The biggest thing for. For me on the. On the Tron podcast is that if you're creative and you have a vision and you have goals that you've accomplished and you have a way of how you went about it and are successful at it, I want to hear from you, where you came from. It means absolutely nothing to me. And I don't mean that in a negative way. [00:17:17] Speaker A: It's just like, oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Right. You have to. A story that's inspiring is a story that's inspiring. So you also do personal coaching. I just want to touch on a couple things as well. So you also do personal coaching, and you're what's called Q S C A Certified. What is that? [00:17:33] Speaker A: That is. I forgot even that your LinkedIn profile. Quantum success. Quantum Success wasn't one of the first coaching seminars, but I. But I. But I. And I hardly. It doesn't. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Right. [00:17:47] Speaker A: I mean, has it had. In fact. But I also don't call myself a coach really anymore, because a coach says, okay, Rashad, sync with me. Think right now. Everything. So you have to do one step, then the second, then the third. What is. If you say, rashad, I don't want to go. The one. I want to go. Start with the two and then go to five. [00:18:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:10] Speaker A: This very controlling coaching advising. I'm an executive advisor. I'm advising you. And I'm not upset if you say, hey, I want to do two. I want to start with five. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:20] Speaker A: I'm not upset about that. [00:18:21] Speaker B: Right. See, it's fluid with the situation. [00:18:24] Speaker A: Fluid and human centric. Exactly. [00:18:26] Speaker B: Correct. Correct. So you're also. It looks like your art gallery, from my understanding, was in Newport Beach. Can we talk about that art gallery that you have? [00:18:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I had art galleries in Newport. At art galleries in Laguna Beach. Yeah. You know, it's just the sad thing with couch galleries to realize that is people like, right now we have the most artists in the world ever had and the least art sales because people figuring out that it is what my podcast is, you know, 30 seconds and it's just on Saturday. And it's just one sentence and a question and it's all for me. It's not from what you tell me it's not for because what tells me it's what I give you for my expression. And the sad thing from the arts gallery is they are a system and they have to say sell what's what they get. The art gallery owner can love you. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Rashad is my favorite. Is my favorite artist. Right? [00:19:29] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:19:31] Speaker A: But everybody buys Larry. Larry is an Asian guy, you know, I think, and he makes very simple thing. And people understand it and they buy it. So you're resolved, which is also the human centric centricity that I'm talking about. It's not the product. The product. If you. Everybody copies the other, there's no fulfillment in it, you know. And because art is not like a Tesla that you have to buy this or a Porsche that you have to buy. It's the brand. It's something that subjective. Subjective. And still people go by what's the Tesla art? What's the Dorscher art? What is that? And they still go by that because they're not really getting. What if I don't go and see that art and it doesn't make me feel good? Why would I buy it? [00:20:14] Speaker B: That's the soul. That's. That's kind of what I was getting into. And then my second question would be is, I mean, how does art work if somebody copies somebody portrait like music, there's trademark laws. [00:20:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:24] Speaker B: Copyright laws, logos for large businesses, etc. Etc. How does it, how does it work if somebody's selling like, I like this painting that somebody drew, I'm going to draw something 90% exactly the same and sell it on. How does that work in that industry? [00:20:37] Speaker A: They see, they see this, okay. They see, they look at the signature and they say, rashad, Rashad, Rashad, Rashad, Rashad, Rashad. And they see that and they say, damn, I haven't sold one painting. And this mofo Rashad is selling all the painting or the music or whatever. [00:20:59] Speaker B: I traced my hand. That's as much as I could draw, right? [00:21:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you copy, you copy, they said. And then you hope that people that cannot afford Rashad will buy the cheaper one 10%, 50% cheap. It's all very logic system. It has nothing to do with creativity, okay? The creative. You are creative. You were the first, you were the Rashat that everybody. And now it's the other. It's. It's a copy. And that's the sad thing, because the gallery wrist has to sell what he doesn't like. See, when you like a certain car, let's say you like Porsche, then you are, you know, you love that car, you love the culture, you love the whole, whole stick. And you can identify with that. And you, you, you, you look forward every day to go in the showroom and sell cars. Not in, in galleries. In galleries is much different. Unless you have, you know, in the old days, you don't have to name a king Cage. In the old days, you know, that was popped at Disney has, was very. Everybody wanted that. It's like, it was like a Tesla. Everybody wanted the same. But it's very hard to replicate that in art because, no, not everybody has the same taste. We are 8 billion people different. [00:22:04] Speaker B: So my question. Here's a, here's an interesting question with, with the recent rise of artificial intelligence, how has that impacted art and painting and things like that? [00:22:13] Speaker A: Not at all. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Okay. It has not. [00:22:16] Speaker A: It steals. It steals from the people that want an average like a Tesla, if they want. And I'm not against that. I'm just saying. [00:22:24] Speaker B: Example. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like when they look and say, you know, when they see the art, all the people that, if you were, let's say you were just a plein air artist that makes things, copies nature and let's see this. And you sell a lot. So AI does that and copies it, right? So. So. So you take away from the people that are not themselves. AI does not take away from me. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Trust me. Okay? [00:22:49] Speaker A: Okay. Because I'm me, right? And I know exactly if AI would cheat on me or whatever, you know, I did 3,000 paintings. [00:22:57] Speaker B: So that was intrinsically you. [00:22:59] Speaker A: That was, it was totally me. And everything helped me to get more me to be. Now with you dancing here is all the experience, life experience. See, it's not knowledge. People say, oh, I read the book. I know. No, you don't know nothing. You have to experience it. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Well, I just didn't know, you know, if. And this is part of my ignorance of not being a screenwriter, not being a musician, not being a writer. I didn't know if like the purist in field who like, hey, I was painting on canvases and working on my craft, getting this here. And then now you can go to A AI and get that same painting. And you didn't put, quote unquote, the work in to do it. [00:23:34] Speaker A: No, it's. It's the experience. Look, it's not the work because I can have a shocking Experience, Right. That made me aware of so many. I, it took me 50 years to become what I am now. 50 years. Life experience. It's about the life. It's not the knowledge, it's not the titles you have, it's the life experience you have. I mean when you ask even people from Harvard or anywhere else, you ask them and say, you know, tell me your experience. They all have a different experience. [00:24:00] Speaker B: That is true. That is true. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Eight billion. And it's not the, it's the, it's the experience that is different. It's the result. You know, to get the certificate is the same and people judge you by the result. They said, how many think? I never say that even happened. You, you mentioned my certificate. I never even mentioned that because it's not about that. That was learning. The certificate I get was for learning, but for learning more about me, not about, you know, being a, being a copy boy for them. [00:24:29] Speaker B: You know, I just, Yeah, I was just curious if there was ever any sort of like, you know, because it's an engine. [00:24:33] Speaker A: No harm. [00:24:33] Speaker B: No harm. [00:24:34] Speaker A: No, no. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [00:24:35] Speaker A: It was good. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So you also work with children a little bit too, if I'm not mistaken. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I love, I love to work with children. [00:24:41] Speaker B: So how does that work itself out? [00:24:42] Speaker A: Especially like the easiest, easiest. Seniors and children are. The easiest. Seniors and children are. Look, you come from the non physical. Whatever you believe in, you come from the non physical and the physical. So you in charge with the universe. Right. Because you came from nature. Right, Right. So the kids know, for example, when you have a family member and they always cry when the family touches, they feel the energy. And if you actually look and say often they have not good energy, you know, when. And dogs too. It's all the things, you know, and cats. So living beings know that. And then when you get old, so you get captured in the education to be system relevant, meaning you work for somebody else. Somebody else has just the idea and you work for him even though he has not experienced what he wants. But just I have an idea, you know, and you work till you get older and then in the older you have so much experience from that hard working for nothing, you know, that you can find out in things. You get wise, you get wise from experience, not from knowledge. Knowledge doesn't teach you anything. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Well, I think too the interesting part is when you're working with kids and you're working with seniors is that particularly small children, right, they're involved and engaged because they like to grab things and touch, you know, they're very expressive very quickly. Right. And then sometimes they'll just scrape, you know, on a piece of paper just for doing it. Right. Because it's something to let an outlet out and some energy. They see a white piece of paper and the first thing they do is they're grabbing markers, they're grabbing crayons, they're grabbing paint and you know, and they're very expressive. And I think we lose that some of us do that choose not to go in the arts as we get older. That doesn't really, you know, manifest itself. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Art is natural. Art is what's possible. Art is that what's possible. And you 100% right. Because what I tell people when the kids are so jumping around and so think I said, let him do art. Give him an instrument, give him, give him crayons, give him whatever, let him sing, do something. Because that brings them. Because they get direct feedback. So if I, if I, my schooling around is different than yours. So I say, and then when I look at your school and I said, rashad, what the hell? Mine looks like this. Yeah, right, right, right. And so, so I see our difference from our soul. Not from our, not from our appearance. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Correct. [00:27:00] Speaker A: But from our soul. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah. You're looking at the work that was created, not the person who did it. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Exactly. And you know, from music, you don't know what race, what gender, what, whatever they are, you know, and then you have to look it up. And that's why it's so true, you know, the true of art. Art is the truest form. So art shows you what's possible. And also art shows you our system screwed upness that we say he's a person. Horrible. Oh, he is this. No, you listen to his music, you know what, what he is. And he, he can be a disturbed prisoner. That is system disturbed. They could never do anything. Yeah. And then you listen to, to his music first and. No. And then you see what he really is. He's disturbed because this is. You should not. And you are lower, you are higher. You're better. You think? No, that's why I say stop. Yeah. With that. Yeah, go ahead. [00:27:50] Speaker B: No, I was going to say. So what's a typical day for a person in the art world? Like, who does art for a living? What Exactly. I mean, obviously you do do creative things. But for somebody who's not in that medium, what is a typical. As best you can describe for an artist, what is, like what's, what's a day? Wake up. [00:28:04] Speaker A: I like what I like. I like what Rick Rubin says And you know Rick Rubin. [00:28:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:28:13] Speaker A: So he says, when you hit the artist today, I'm talking today, have a job that somehow gets you money to survive and do the most art that you can. So have a job that is really intense, perhaps, and then you can take off and you can keep creating. And that's actually, I believe, the best way I had to have jobs to do, to do the art that I do. I could never just, I mean, I didn't get a lot, for example, when I worked in Robert Evans, for example. I mean, I think $2,000 then, but this perhaps 3,000 now per month. Just letting you, you know, I'm saying it because. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:28:49] Speaker A: To put in perspective, because people say, oh, once you work with him, no, you, you don't get anything. You, you be grateful you have that job and that experience. I mean, I was commissioner of Newport beach, right. I was a politician. [00:29:02] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:03] Speaker A: For free. [00:29:03] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:04] Speaker A: If you want experience. Experience is what the money is. And it's not we give you our commission, then they know you and what. No, that is that system lie that they say, I, you know, I give you exposure. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Well, I was listening, I was listening to an interview. I don't know if you know who Anthony Mackie is, the guy who's playing Captain America. Okay, so he's an actor, right? And so, yeah, I was listening to an interview with it with him and he said he did a movie with Ryan Gosling. He's, he's a pretty well known actor and he said he's called Half Nelson. Ryan Gosling got nominated for an Oscar. Andy Mackie was like, I did that movie for $65 a day. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Right? [00:29:35] Speaker B: And you're like, oh, this dude's like, like this dude's an A list actor. And you're like, he did this movie for 65 bucks a day. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Like, wow. [00:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Don't you see? Systems use advantage of the talent. It doesn't matter if you're the formula one racer. It's a actor. I think they use that. And also they did, for example, they say, go and be a viral artist. You know what? When you get a viral video. Yeah, right. So you're doing everything. First of all, there's 7 billion movies on, on the web. So you're doing, you're saying, oh, yeah. So they promote you. I said, rashad had a viral video. It's the greatest thing. And he got, he got something. He's viral. They don't even say what you get, you know. But, but Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg did. He was he said it. And that's why we say we get so powerful when we are 100% transparent to each other. So Snoop Dogg says he got 145 or $149,000 for 1 or 2 billion downloads. Yeah, see, that's the truth. The truth is, oh, he's always happed and promoted, which they can write off. But when it comes down to the end, how much cash did he get on his hand? No. And if that's Snoop Dogg, how much do you think your possibilities are? Or mine? If Snoop Dogg makes $149,000 of 2 billion views. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Yeah, right. It's crazy. That's, that's. [00:30:59] Speaker A: And we have to be honest and we have to take back the power. As humans, we created systems. We can change them. Do you understand that every system that was created, governments, everything was created by humans. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Why can we not update them that, that we have a balance? Because the balance is the highest power in nature. You can. I'm not saying there shouldn't be rich people. I don't say there should be puppets, but balance it. Now it's extreme rich and extreme poor. That's not balanced. [00:31:24] Speaker B: You know, and. Well, the best part about, you know, just in general in life. Life is what you make of it and how creative you can be and stretching your creativity to the best you know, exactly you can do. You know, I'll tell you one thing is that in this amount of time, you know, I know that I haven't even scratched the surface of what you've accomplished in the things. And you gave me like a snapshot of all the things that you've done. And I would love to be able to have a follow up with you. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Let's have it. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Regarding that. [00:31:49] Speaker A: So you're on it. Don't screw me over. [00:31:54] Speaker B: No, I got, I got no interior. I need. Right. I need people like you on the show because I. There's so many fascinating things and I'd love to see, you know, your art that you've created, you know, samples of, you know, your books. And I want you to be able to say, hey, this is the book. [00:32:07] Speaker A: I did music too. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's, let's talk about all that type of stuff and let's, let's definitely do a nice Q and A. I'm looking forward to hearing it. I want to hear more of your story. I'm pumped about all the things that you're doing. I'm not an artistic person, but this is my one creative, artistic. [00:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah, everybody is a artist. But you have to find out what. For example, I'm not doing a lot of painting right now, but I'm writing a lot, so I'm writing a lot because I think the humanity needs to see. You know, I have my podcast, my 32nd podcast, but that's not, you know, smart of art. But it doesn't. But I'm now and I was first in video, then in painting, so video and film, painting, music, you know, is. [00:32:49] Speaker B: This all self taught? [00:32:50] Speaker A: All self taught. How can I, you know, I guess. [00:32:55] Speaker B: That'S the wrong question. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Not with that brain. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Right, right, right. Well, Michael McGrouch, I am so glad that you joined the Tron podcast today. And let's, let's do this again. Let's dive deeper into the things that you do. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:33:07] Speaker B: And when you have any questions for me, let's keep in touch, please. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. You. We have to exchange emails and all that. [00:33:13] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. We will, for sure. [00:33:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:15] Speaker B: And I want to see some of your painting. I'll have to copy that book too. Where can people find you? [00:33:20] Speaker A: Michaelm.com Michael with two Ls M dot com. I saw your website like Michael Jackson with two Ls and so Michaelm dot com. [00:33:29] Speaker B: Well, I'm looking forward for people to being able to, you know, they don't need me to find you, but I'm grateful that you gave the opportunity for me to pick your dive into your world for a little bit. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Awesome. [00:33:38] Speaker B: Talk to you soon, brother. Thanks for being on the tribe podcast. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Bye.