Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Tron podcast listeners, this is Rashad woods, your host. And today I have a very special guest today, the embodiment of the American dream from Gambia and has created a fascinating new app called Trips, which allows you to go down the memory wormhole and be a little bit of nostalgic at the same time. Brian, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: Thanks, John. Thanks, Rashad. I'm calling the name of your show because it's, you know, when I. It's fascinating. When I saw the title of your show, I'm like, that's a very catchy name, you know, but, yeah, thanks for having me, man. I'm glad to join you here and talk about my journey on how I build trips and all the ins and outs that comes with just building your own technology company when you're not. When you're not like Facebook, when you're not like TikTok, when you're not like Twitter. It's a different.
So, yeah, I'm glad to join you. So we can go down. Go down memory lane, if you will.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: Well, the thing is, like, you know, when you try to do a podcast or where you try to do a social media app, you know, it's a very crowded space, and there's a lot of imitators and copycatters, and so you don't want to be a flash in the pan. You don't look like you're, you know, latching onto a trend, so you have to carve out your own particular space, and it seems like you've done that. Can you tell us a little bit about your educational background? What led you into technology?
AI, computer systems and human connections?
[00:01:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so I have a very random way of connecting how I got to the technology space. I first look at the atm, right. The way it worked. Simple, very sophisticated. And I've always, the first time I interacted with it, it's like, wow. You tell it what you need, it delivers exactly what you need. I mean, Rashad, how. How many times have you said, give me $40 and the ATM gave you 60 or 20 or 100. So that. That had me thinking a lot. Like, man, well, like, what got to the development of this and what got it to this point to. To position? That's one. And the second thing it also taught me was just the simplicity of user experience.
Right, Right. You don't need to overcomplicate things.
You don't need to, you know, under.
Serve it as well. You can do exactly what you asked for, just what the people want. Right. So that kind of drew me into just Looking at how that's created drew me into the computer science world. Right. I wanted to do a lot of things though. In the beginning, I wanted to do architectural drafting, I wanted to do accounting, I wanted to do screenwriting. That's just, that's just, that's just the fancy way of saying I was a confused man. I probably still am confused, but that's.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: What life's all about, man.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So when I majored in software development to probably one semester into it, I saw another field called computer forensics, which is what I have a degree in. And I got drawn into it because of the, just the investigative nature of it, like looking at cyber crimes and figuring out prints that were ahead of the curve.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: You were ahead of the curve.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: I tried. So then I'm like, wow, that, that sounds so sci fi. That sounds like kind of movies that I like to watch. Right. I think the one angle that really got me interested is, you know, people that send child pornography over the net and mask it with something else that somebody would not know. So it is the job of a computer forensics analyst to go in and, you know, uncover that. Right. Unmask it, decrypt it and, and take those people to test, you know. However, there was a, there was an aspect of computer forensics that I didn't quite think is for me. And that is the idea that you have to write a report and probably show up in court to testify. There's just some legal aspect of it. I'm like, I don't think that part of it is exciting. So then after I graduated, I didn't do much with computer forensics. I still navigated to, gravitated toward, you know, software development. Just building things, making right. Useful things that people can use, can touch, can feel and create an experience for users.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. And so I think that when it comes to computer forensics, there's like these, these myths that people, all they do is solve crimes all day, when in fact it's also about data protection services, data integrity stop from hacking. I did a, I did a CyberSecurity course from IBM online and it was like, you know, a lot of times, you know, hackers use brute force where they just keep pounding at a server, eventually cracks you, right? So it's like a flood, it's like a dam, you know, they just keep pounding away at it. And so what I found fascinating about your background is, is that, you know, you came from Gambia, right? So how did you, what, what caused you first to actually immigrate to the United States from your back.
[00:04:18] Speaker B: Very good question. You know, in Gambia, youth like myself, when you graduate high school, your, Your next step, your most immediate inclination is to travel. You know, you don't, you don't, you don't want to do nothing else other than just like, go out there and explore the world.
But for me, I always tell my friends, man, it was just too hot out there. Way too hot. Well, I'm telling you, it was way too hot. Like, one day, one day when I was going to get a visa, I'm like, man, if I don't get a visa, it was too hot that day. Like, it was really hot. So I'm like, man, if I don't get a visa, man, I'm have to deal with this weather. Like, nah, that can't. I gotta dip out.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: It finally hits you. It finally hits you.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I got a dip. But also, you know, on the other end of it, too. Just kind of exploring your capabilities, looking at the other side of the world, looking at the things that you can do, you know, spread your wings a little bit and, and see when you explore on the other end, what that's like. That's how I landed in Philadelphia. That's how I was. That's where I was for my first year. I have connections here in Minneapolis. I live in Minneapolis now with my family.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: Right.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: I saw that my friends live here, or like, you know, it's probably better up here. Come check it out. And I haven't been back since.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Minneapolis is a beautiful city, by the way, too.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: You're in Detroit, right?
[00:05:37] Speaker A: Yes, yes, Minneapolis. I've had a there about three or four times. Yeah, it's really nice.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: So. So you're into computer systems, Right? And so I'm imagining you. You know, I can't. Even though I'm not a programmer, you're very, you know, curious individual like myself. So I have to imagine when you're getting computers and when you're getting technologies, you seem like the type of person that has to break something and then put it back together, and then that's just kind of how you're going to figure it out to make sure, you know, not that you're just the end user, but that you know how the process actually works and how it was assembled. And so while you're doing that, you decided to become an entrepreneur as well, too, and created your app Trips. So, please. I researched it a little bit, but for the show itself. Tell us about Trips.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah, so Trips was born out of, you know, a lot of times in the Software development world, right? You either are solving a problem that people are going through or you solving a problem that you are going through. Right? That's. Those are two inventive ways to create stuff. So with trips, I. I'm a 90s kid, right? Notorious B.I.G. tupac, Michael Jordan, Mobb Deep, Bone Thugs. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I spent a lot of time researching or going back, visiting that a lot, right.
And I spend a lot of time on YouTube more times than I'm supposed to, honestly.
[00:06:53] Speaker A: We all do.
[00:06:54] Speaker B: We all, you know, like, going down memory lane. So one day I was like, yo, it will probably be better if I just come up with a platform where, you know, people can just visit and share and archive, but also relive those. Those memories. Right, of course. So it wasn't. It wasn't. I went out and asked people like, hey, what kind? What do you like? It was me figuring out this need for me for something. And then I went out and built it. And coincidentally though, when I, When I go to YouTube, I go a particular song or whatever. Sports, you know, Michael Jordan doing the Fade Away with Utah in 98. The comments are always fascinating to me. You know, I'm like, there's a demand for this. The same thing. I'm thinking there are people out there that are, you know, that are. That are navigating towards that as well. So I've sat on the idea, though, for a long time, right? It wasn't until 2020, during the pandemic, ESPN had a show. Very awful, right? ESPN had a show called the Last Dance, Michael Jordan's last year. I don't know if you saw it. And that thing has so much viewership because obviously everybody was home at the time, right? But I think the. The commentary around it, that's when I sat down, like, you know what? I gotta be. I gotta start building this thing. Because, yeah, it aligns exactly with what I'm seeing and the people's nostalgic behavior, relieving the past and, you know, the many things that we saw that we never knew, like the behind the scenes, Dennis was Dennis Rodman becoming the first guy to take a day off on a basketball, like during the season. Like, I didn't know he invented that, you know?
[00:08:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:30] Speaker B: So I saw the commentary around it. I'm like, yeah, you know what? It's time. I've been sitting on this idea. But just because the appetite for what I'm saying, it's probably time to go Ahead and build this. And me coming from a business analyst, product owner, product development background, you know, you know, the role of a business analyst is to sit in between people that want to use a product and people that build the product, right? So I'm exposed to both worlds. I need to. My job is to understand what Rashad needs, right? From a strictly purely user perspective. Rashad, not technology savvy. He's not. He doesn't write code. He just wants something. And then I go to developers and say they don't know what. Like, a lot of developers don't understand basic user experiences as well.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: So.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: So that's how I kind of.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: Well, it's funny, I hate to cut you off, but it's funny you say that because people can gravitate towards what they're good at, right? So, you know, if you're. When you're a software developer, you're like, I gotta throw all these fancy codes. And then you can just go down the wormhole of coding, right? And then you're like, dude, think about somebody that's just sitting on their couch watching tv, that just wants to have an instant moment. And I'm sure you've done your research, which is if something doesn't get somebody's attention in like seven seconds now, right, You're. You're done.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: You're done.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: You don't have that luxury like you did, you know, 30 years ago, where people are willing to give chance after chance and wait for stuff, even just a page loading on the Internet.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: You know what I mean? What is that thing they say you rarely get a second chance to make a first impression. Is that what they. Is that the right way?
[00:10:00] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: But yes, I agree with you.
The building process of this. And I had to do my own sort of. I had to evolve as well, because being a staff employee on a technology group versus building my own thing, it's two different worlds, bro. Like, it's not even the same. And I think you can appreciate that, right? Yeah. So for me, the biggest thing was the way I'm thinking of the idea. How do I really translate it into an app, right? Because it's a vast. It's a vast random idea. Like, okay, like, build a platform that is going to be memory based. But how exactly do you make it that identity? How do you give it that identity? That was, that was a tough.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: And then you're running into a situation where this, like a bridge generation, it's like a gap, bridge, gap center generation, right? So you have, if you're a 90s baby. You know what a blockbuster is like. You know what it's like to use the Yellow Pages. But at the same time, technology didn't come hard for you because you're right in between where the Internet was exploding, you know, that circa 99 to like 2006, where everything started converting really to digitally.
You know, you're a teenager or a young adult and you grew right along with it and it became normal. So for you to grasp it, nostalgia. Like, look at one of the most popular shows out right now is Stranger Things. And there's a reason why it's one of the most because everybody's like, oh man, this reminds me of Steven Spielberg movies. This reminds me of Stephen King things. So all those people that were 6, 7, 8 years old, now they're watching this and they're 40, 45, and they're like, oh my God, this reminds me of everything that I grew up with.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: I'm so glad you mentioned that because Stranger Things was something that I keep in mind all the time.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Right, right, right.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: If you look at Stranger Things, this got these really nostalgic themes around it, the whole, the whole show, right?
[00:11:47] Speaker A: Beautiful show, wonderful show, right?
[00:11:49] Speaker B: But if you move past Stranger Things, look at Burger king, look at McDonald's, look at the commercial, every, every product today. And that motivated me to build trips, which I'll get into here in a little bit. But when I was looking at, when I was doing my research during the building process, like why should I build a nostalgic website? Why should I build a nostalgic platform? Right? Just kind of challenging my own assumption. Like, is it, is it the market ready or is it not? Right. In my research, I found something interesting. There was a Ipsos research that's that analyze about 2,000 ads, advertisements, right? And they found out that the ones that channel nostalgia within the ads force people two and a half times more to buy stuff than the ones that did not, right?
Yeah. It's interesting because the thing is, if you are a brand, right? And you channel my. The best way to channel my trust is to channel something that I was fond of in my younger years, right. If you go to my Nintendo game, like your PlayStation, to the Walkman, right to the CD player, you are more likely to sell to me. And the other result, the other result that I've found is that once you catch people in a nostalgic behavior, they don't. They no longer care about the price they spend on the product.
[00:13:12] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying?
[00:13:13] Speaker A: Because you, you're bringing up something that more than likely is a very positive memory of them. You know, it's like how ebay got founded. And I'm paraphrasing this because I looked at how ebay was founded. He, like, put up a pen for sale, and then he said he went to bed. They said the guy went to bed, didn't think anything of it when he created the platform. And then he said he had all these offers on it. And he asked the guy, he was like, how the heck. Why do you want to bid this for this particular. He's like, I'm a pen collector, and this is very important for me to have this pen, and I don't care about the price of it. So. So to your point, you know, when you bring up memories with people, it resonates with them. I mean, look at the NFL, for goodness sakes. Right? And I don't know if you watch football or not.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: I watch football a lot.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: It's on seven different platforms, and nobody cares. And they know I thought it was 17, right? Like, it's on YouTube and maybe I'm getting the number wrong. It's on Amazon, it's on Fox, it's on cbs, it's on espn, and it's on Netflix. Right. And I'm probably missing one or two. And it does not matter, literally, does they? Don't. People don't even think twice. Subscribing to it all.
[00:14:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's. It's you. You got a good point there. When. When you look. When you really look into this. Right?
Somebody. Somebody asked me one time because I told them this. The trips platform is not meant to be. And I thought I was shooting myself in the foot when I said it's not meant to be addictive. And what I mean by that is, naturally, you're not meant to be addicted to your memories. You just visit them every once in a while because the world, the present world around you is moving too fast. Right?
[00:14:43] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: If you.
If people always say, man, I miss the good old days, I don't think that's because the good old days were better.
It's just that today, the environment around them is changing so quick. And so as a human being, you are. You are always forced to think that your yesterday life was better. It happens to all of us, Right. Every once in a while you say, I miss when times were simple. Let me ask you a question, Rashad. You think today is simple? Like right now?
[00:15:13] Speaker A: I think that. No, you know, I'll be honest with you. I think it is and that's because. Because things are accessible at a quicker mat. Like, this is just my opinion, but I think that things that you want to get are more accessible than ever before. Like if you want to order food, you know, you don't have to go through the yellow pages, et cetera, et cetera, if you want get your. Your items delivered. I think maybe a better terminology is things are more accessible to your immediate needs than they are necessarily simpler. Things are complex. But I think there's a. There's some really great businesses out there that are trying to take the complexity out of the end of the person and create more because they want fast transactions. Right. They want quick transactions. Sometimes it's at the detriment, right. They're like, you know, if people can just check out their own groceries, you know, that problem be solved. Checking out your own grocery sucks, right? Absolutely. Because you don't have. Anything goes wrong during that transaction. You're waving the person down, you're already upset, and then your emotions start getting a certain way. So I think accessibility as opposed to simpler is probably a better way to describe it.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I asked the question because I'm sitting here thinking, in 20, 30 years, we're going to be looking back today and be like, man, we missed the simpler times.
We're going to look at 20, 25 as a time that was simple. When social media is like growing so fast and the trends.
Which brings me to a point, speaking of trends. Right. The differentiation between trips and for everybody watching trips is not trip, it's trip pz. Because I'm. I'm thinking multiple trips down memory lane, right. So I need to clarify that. So it's not, don't go to the App Store looking for trips. Look for tripz.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Good note, good note to make.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: But, but I'm saying that to say that, you know, with differentiation model, right. When. When we were building this, when I sit with the team, the thing that I like to remind them mostly is the trips platform should be of experience and discovery all at the same time. Right, Right. Because for someone who was not born in the 70s or born in the early 2000s or 90s, you can have your own memory land, but you can start seeing things like, you know, P. Funk, Parliament, Funkadelic, you know, like you're discovering new things. George Clinton getting on stage. You know, I watch, I watch a video where George Clinton was way ahead of his time. The technological things that were doing on stage in the 70s, like 3D, they were saying 3D back then. I thought 3D was like.
Like right now, right?
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Well, the ironic part, too, is that, you know, even, like, wanting to see a movie now, right? Like, you have the movie that's spoiled for you if you go on YouTube or if you Google, like. Like a movie. Like, you have to be very cognizant and not get a movie spoiled for you, because you could just go to, like, Google News and it could be the first headline right there, right? Like, dang, you know, I wasn't even looking for that. And the next, you know, a really good ending was. Was spoiled, so. Or if you wanted to see a movie, you would have to watch the trailer, maybe on the cassette, the video, the vhs, or you'd have to see it in the theater. But then the movie now can be spoiled for you because, you know, three quarters of the movie is already told in the trailer that you saw. So sometimes you have to, like, remove yourself from the current events. Be like, I need to purposely stay away from anything because I actually want to experience something now as opposed to have it being spoiled in advance for me.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: Which is crazy, because you. You just said something that reminded me of back in, I don't know, 05 06, I used to come home to know the score of the basketball. Basketball game. Like, I would know. I would be at work and I wouldn't know what the score was, right? If. If the Sixers are playing with the Lakers. I'm like, man, like, when I get home, and it didn't occur to me to watch a replay because, like, you know, I watched the highlights on ESPN. But isn't it amazing? Just in a matter of 20 years, like, you can't. You can't wait. You can't. You don't have to get home to know what's happening. Like, not at all. You get it in real time. But I remember getting home to know what the game score was. You know, like, as I'm talking here, I'm thinking about this, like, it's striking me as really fascinating. And that's why. That's what I was pointing out about the differentiation between, you know, people ask me, like, why can't I just go to Facebook and post a memory? Keep in mind, Facebook do have a memory feature. If you took a picture last year and today is that anniversary you see on this day last year, you took this picture, but that's just a feature, right? What we're doing at Trips is expanding and making it the product itself, right? You know, the Tiktoks of the world, Instagram of the world, they prioritize today, right? Whereas with trips, you know, we prioritize that journey, right? You can start from looking at it from streaming. Today, we stream music. Before we stream music, we had the ipod. Before we had the iPad, we had the CD player. Before we had the CD player, we had the cassette tape. Before we had the cassette, we had the vinyl, right? Before we had the vinyl, we had just radio. What happened before radio? So I like to think in that realm, my fascination. You asked earlier, like, what drove me into this? I like to think of things that happen way before I was born. I like to sit here and imagine, like, wow, what did they do? Like, I found out the point about music people before this. You have to go out and watch the music.
You couldn't listen to it on any device. You had to. That was the only way to listen to music.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: And you. And if you. If you were a terrible singer or artist, you couldn't hide behind anything else that you had to be the real. I'm not saying that people weren't untalented back then, but you had to actually be able to actually perform what, what people said you could perform. There was no audio tune or no sort of, you know, which if you. They were going to find out if you were the real deal.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we have this feature on the app where we call it the Journey. So the way we operate is just, you want to post something, a particular category, you want to do throwback technology, you want to post about musical memories, sports, legendary sports, fashion. I'm sure you had some baggage jeans in the 90s that you probably don't want. Don't want the crowd to see anymore. But there's a category that I'm fascinated by. It's called the Journey, right?
We went back and forth between naming it. Do we call it the Becoming or the Journey? And what that category means is. So let's take you, Rashad, for instance. You got a podcast, popular podcast. People are listening. But we only see. We only see your popular podcast. We don't know what got you, how you got to this journey, right? We don't know how you got here. And I'm sure you've had to do a lot of sacrifices, a lot of, you know, ins and outs and what the journey us is to say, hey, Rashad, you know, we see the successful part of your life, but could you walk us down memory lane?
[00:21:50] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Like, because we just see the flash, right? We don't know how you got here. So someone like Jeff Bezos. We don't know how they got here, but it would be nice if they can walk us down memory lane and say this. Why I almost gave up. As you know, this podcast, I'm sure there's a lot of times you were like, man, is this really what I want to do?
But Deliverance get gets you there.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: I think the most correct. And then to your point is that I'm thinking in my head too, how your podcast grow. I mean, your podcast, excuse me, your platform could grow because obviously you're much. That's your space, not mine. But if you had a merchandise store of nostalgic materials that people could purchase things whether.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Don't give it away now. Don't give it away now.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: No, go ahead, because I'm about to add something to that.
[00:22:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I was just thinking, like, you know, for people who are going down the memory lanes, if they wanted to buy boom boxes, if they wanted to buy Nintendo's, if they wanted to buy certain movie posters. Right. So that way it could be integrated into their memory bank and make it a consumer experience. Because, you know, most of the people that I'm sure that you're aiming for are between 38 to 50. So it's not like they're that old. Right. And for people who are 17, 18, if you're fortunate enough, you'll reach those ages and you got to deal with it.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Right? Right. I'm so glad you mentioned that, because when I was thinking of this app idea, I passed on it because there was a commercial aspect of it that I'm like, they gotta go hand in hand. Right. I gotta find a way to make money out of it. Right. So one day, it was July 4, 2022, I took a walk to the lake, and I'm walking, I'm thinking, like. And then it clicked like, oh, you. You need to do this, do this, do that. Well, I got back in my car, went home so that I don't forget what I'm thinking about. That was the first day I put the idea on paper. But the future vision of this platform, we're thinking of partnerships, branding. At this point, we'll focus on the user growth, but let's be assured we will have. We're thinking of a lot of different fascinating things right now, especially on the advertising end.
You might. This might be the first platform where you will see people actually go to the ad. Right.
Without giving too much away on how we're thinking.
I wanna. I wanna. The way I'm Thinking of the way advertising works, you know, when you're watching YouTube and your ad come in, you have 90% likely to click out of the ad. Right? What if you don't have to do that? What if it's the opposite? Right. That's how we're thinking of many things on the, on the commercial front. To your point earlier. Yes, we do have those.
And keep following and you will see, one day we're going to come back to this show on a nostalgic. On a memory lane. On a memory lane. And we're going to be like, yo, Rashad, you know, remember when you, when we're talking about this, what do you think now? Right.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Well, you know, it's just a natural evolution. You know, more importantly, it's that, you know, you know, the lane that you're in. This is me just from a user experience that was like, man, you know, if I'm already on here, I would love to see like a poster of like a Ghostbusters poster or, you know, who Framed Roger Rabbit kind of poster that's in there. Oh, man, you know, this is available. This reminded me of my childhood.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: Where can people. I always ask this of all my guests because I think, you know, they don't need me. They've never needed me. I'm just a person that's just fortunate enough to talk to you all. How could people find a Brian Majala?
[00:25:09] Speaker B: I'm on Twitter, Fulani dude. F U L A N I D U D. I don't need to spell dude, but I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram, Fulani dude, as well, on LinkedIn. Check me out. I'm on Facebook, Ibrahima Jalo and the app. Both platforms, iOS, Android, and we have a website as well, www.gettrips.com on there. You can walk your way through the app and just kind of look at the theme of what we have.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: So, man, you know, and I think this kind of. I would say this to almost all of my guests, but I don't think a half an hour does justice to what you actually are accomplishing and continue to accomplish. You know, but I'm just fortunate enough to be able to get a small fraction of what you're able, you know, out of your time and what you're able to do and accomplish. And I think that for what you're doing, it resonates with somebody like me because, to be honest with you, I'm a child of the same era and I'm just. It spurs some really good memories and Thoughts. And I hope that I'm gonna, I'm gonna download it and have a chance to really dive into it myself.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah, and one last point. You talked about the target age, right? Basically we're targeting anybody that's that whose brain is large enough to carry some memories. You could be 20, and you start thinking about when you were 15, could be 25, of course, you know what I'm saying? Like, it peaks the more you grow. But one, one thing, Rashad, man, I watch your show, man. I, I, I really appreciate the angle you take, the respectful tone, the, the what you extract out of people. I enjoyed your, your episode with what's her name? I think it's Demi. Demi. Demi or something like that. It's Ethiopian lady restaurateur. Very, very interesting, man. Just talking about her journey and shedding light on what's the things you want to do and the things he's been through.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: That was beautiful story. You know, it was, it was very, very heartwarming. And I'm sure it resonated very closely with you as well, too. You know, similar background and things like that. And so that was, that was touching. And it was really good for her to share her story with, with me and get a chance to really actually, you know, be involved with that. And so I really, really, really take that to heart. It's Zed Wamadu. That's what her name was.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Zed. Not Demi. Zed.
[00:27:05] Speaker A: Zed, yes.
[00:27:07] Speaker B: But, you know, the stories can be much more beautiful if the host is able to extract it, right? And I think you do a great job. I watched that whole thing, like, wow, you know, I'm, you're learning as you go, you know, so.
But yeah, man, I appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me around and we'll get back to this again at some point.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: Very much, very much appreciate you, sir. And best success to you.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Cool. Thanks, man.
